Popular Post MessiWillSignForVilla Posted October 31, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 31, 2022 Since 2000, about 3.3% of corners have resulted in goals in the top 5 leagues - direct ones are closer to 1.1%. This season we've had 59 corners and scored from 3 (that I can immediately think of), or around 5.1%, i.e. we perform above average on corners and McPhee is doing a good job. Set Pieces are just hard to score from. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 1 hour ago, ChesterDad said: Personally I can’t see what he does that sets him apart from other coaches? We look pretty average from set pieces to me, and with reference to scoring from a corner - isn’t this more about a player, than a coach ? The problem is that it's very hard to know what he does all day every day so it's also therefore hard to judge him on whether or not he's good at it There's no magic formula that will guarantee success because there's so many variables I would judge him on his ability to get people free in the box via certain routines but that doesn't correlate to goals or even chances, there's no stat for it and it's not really demonstrated in the highlights either, I think its subtle and not easy to pick up... And then my honest answer there is I'm not sure if we're good at that or not... We do seem to have at least one corner per game where we pick up a man on the edge of the box but those chances are usually blocked and come to nothing, think mcginn has had at least 2 in the last month, it wasn't a goal wasn't even a shot on target but the set piece coaching kind of did its job 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 15 minutes ago, MessiWillSignForVilla said: Since 2000, about 3.3% of corners have resulted in goals in the top 5 leagues - direct ones are closer to 1.1%. This season we've had 59 corners and scored from 3 (that I can immediately think of), or around 5.1%, i.e. we perform above average on corners and McPhee is doing a good job. Set Pieces are just hard to score from. The random hatred he gets is ridiculous. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChesterDad Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 15 minutes ago, est1874 said: I'm convinced the people defending him don't actually watch us play. There's no way you could sit through our corners and free-kick routines and still think this guy is worth hanging on to. The shit I've seen is not worth the time wasted on the training ground, these players could definitely spontaneously come up with better all by themselves without wasting a coaching salary on this lad. Our most effective set piece routine has been Dougie scoring or trying to score from a corner. In terms of concept, not exactly rocket science is it; in terms of execution, a player either has the finesse or does not. My point exactly I’d wager most clubs have players capable of scoring directly from a corner kick - I’d be astonished if a set piece coach was drilling this imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChesterDad Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 1 minute ago, Tom13 said: The random hatred he gets is ridiculous. Is it really hatred ? I think not - for me it’s just a general apathy about our set pieces and the fact, we have a so called expert overseeing this aspect of the game and we see very little at all to get excited about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 1 minute ago, ChesterDad said: Is it really hatred ? I think not - for me it’s just a general apathy about our set pieces and the fact, we have a so called expert overseeing this aspect of the game and we see very little at all to get excited about He has been subject to hate in here, not saying everyone of course. Maybe hate is a strong word, but the likes of... "Get the f out of our club" etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChesterDad Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 5 minutes ago, Tom13 said: He has been subject to hate in here, not saying everyone of course. Maybe hate is a strong word, but the likes of... "Get the f out of our club" etc. Well I certainly would not use the term “ hate” do I think he is value for money absolutely not - hate ? No chance ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indigo Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 41 minutes ago, MessiWillSignForVilla said: Since 2000, about 3.3% of corners have resulted in goals in the top 5 leagues - direct ones are closer to 1.1%. This season we've had 59 corners and scored from 3 (that I can immediately think of), or around 5.1%, i.e. we perform above average on corners and McPhee is doing a good job. Set Pieces are just hard to score from. Puts things in perspective a bit, especially when you factor in the general lack of physical presence this team has had over the last two seasons as well. Hard to optimise effectiveness from set pieces when 70% of your outfield players are the height of a worm's castle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 47 minutes ago, ChesterDad said: My point exactly I’d wager most clubs have players capable of scoring directly from a corner kick - I’d be astonished if a set piece coach was drilling this imo The stats don't back that up though, not even close, I Googled it and apart from Luiz and stanislas it's hard to see who else has done it in 20 years of PL football, Luiz has 1 PL goal 1 cup goal and hit the post from one its more than rare its special If you look at the top 5 most successful corner takers in the league last season JWP was top with 48% won by a team mate, mount was 5th with 29% 40% don't clear the 1st man, 10% lead to a shot on goal, 3% lead to a goal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderball Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 We never used to have a set piece coach, so at least we have one. The players seem to respect and value him? I guess it’s an improvement on not having a set piece coach and we have had success. Also, how many times have we conceded from set pieces? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 (edited) The fact that MacPhee is trending because of stupid, flippant comments and memes demonstrates how social media brings out the worst in sections of the fan base. It's embarassing and totally unecessary. Edited October 31, 2022 by The_Steve 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Made In Aston Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 2 hours ago, gwi1890 said: Was he allowed to do his job though?? Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwi1890 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 5 minutes ago, Made In Aston said: Yes Do you regularly attend training sessions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adman Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 New slate, let's go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Made In Aston Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 12 minutes ago, gwi1890 said: Do you regularly attend training sessions? Yes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 Our set pieces have been consistently absolutely atrocious for years and years and years. This guy came in and they were, occasionally, not shit. More recently they've actually been quite good. Fair enough if Emery has his own set piece coach he wants, get rid. But if not, it would be a bit bizarre to get rid of such a specialist and not replace them. His training has zero bearing on our shape in open play so don't see why it would matter who he works alongside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwi1890 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 15 minutes ago, Made In Aston said: Yes. Was it Austin’s job to analyse opposing set pieces or was it Scott Mason’s job? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 4 hours ago, VillanousOne said: People are a bit confused because we are about as threatening at set pieces as a squirrel shouting at an ant. How many do we score from, corners 1 in 20? Free kicks 1 in 100? Also presume he looks after our ability to defend set pieces which is truly awful We have scored 30 percent of our goals this season from set pieces 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Made In Aston Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 9 hours ago, gwi1890 said: Was it Austin’s job to analyse opposing set pieces or was it Scott Mason’s job? If you have a job as a set piece coach then everything to do with set pieces comes under your remit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwi1890 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 Last season we were 7th in the league for goals scored from set pieces, this season we’ve scored 1 goal less from set pieces than we have from open play. Only Forrest have scored less goals from open play than us so it’s safe to say we would probably be bottom of the league if it wasn’t for Set pieces . There has been a drop off in set pieces scored yes but we’ve been creating less chances to win corners and free kicks in threatening areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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