Jbvilla909 Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 I can't see Tammy joining us, but if he does, I'd play Watkins just behind him as part of a front four, his hold up and link up play could be poetry with Tammy up top and Jack and Emi either side 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted July 1, 2021 Author Share Posted July 1, 2021 1 hour ago, villa4europe said: But like many others have said he's leaving Chelsea because he's not guaranteed first choice... To come join us where he wouldn't be guaranteed first choice?? That doesn't make sense for him Mate that is disingenuous. He leaving Chelsea because he isn’t even getting picked for the squad and looks like Tuchel doesn’t like him. After he left us he wanted to go back to Chelsea to fight for his shirt. Before Tuchel came in, Tammy was fighting for his shirt daily and he was loving it. He’s not even being given chance to fight for it now. So you are being disingenuous on why Tammy wants to leave Chelsea. Secondly you’re assuming he wants guaranteed first choice. He’s not going to get guaranteed first choice at any top club. He’s going to go to club that he believes he can fight for the striker position. He wants a coach who believes in him. Do you honestly believe if we agreed a fee with Chelsea that Tammy would turn us down? I bet he’d already have his car packed and half way up the motorway two seconds after the fee was agreed. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 1 minute ago, nick76 said: Mate that is disingenuous. He leaving Chelsea because he isn’t even getting picked for the squad and looks like Tuchel doesn’t like him. After he left us he wanted to go back to Chelsea to fight for his shirt. Before Tuchel came in, Tammy was fighting for his shirt daily and he was loving it. He’s not even being given chance to fight for it now. So you are being disingenuous on why Tammy wants to leave Chelsea. Secondly you’re assuming he wants guaranteed first choice. He’s not going to get guaranteed first choice at any top club. He’s going to go to club that he believes he can fight for the striker position. He wants a coach who believes in him. Do you honestly believe if we agreed a fee with Chelsea that Tammy would turn us down? I bet he’d already have his car packed and half way up the motorway two seconds after the fee was agreed. I do agree with this. I can't imagine there is another club in the PL that Tammy would rather join than us if we were to agree a fee with Chelsea. I'm not overly keen on the transfer as I think it's a lot of money in a position where we don't need to strengthen (in terms of the first XI). I'd rather spend that kind of money on an AMC/DMC. I'd like it even more if we did spend that money on an AMC/DMC and Tammy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 (edited) Tammy was great for us in Championship but didn't turn up in the playoff final. Was anonymous. Just needed to get that off my chest. Carry on Edited July 1, 2021 by Kiwivillan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 Just now, Kiwivillan said: Tammy was great for us in Championship but didn't turn up in the playoff final. Was anonymous. Just needed to greet that off my chest. Carry on Greet away my friend, greet away. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted July 1, 2021 Author Share Posted July 1, 2021 1 hour ago, HalfTimePost said: I don't get why people are so keen to spend £40m on 'competition' for Ollie so that we have a good option if he gets injured... But that’s not the only reason. There are many reasons that have been discussed. 1 hour ago, HalfTimePost said: A player that's played nearly every minute for the past 2 seasons. Great, history isn’t always a good indicator for future. If you get regularly the same injury then yes you use that for future but if you don’t get injured doesn’t mean you can’t get injured. From a Ben Mee type injury, to things like hamstrings. Doesn’t the point is having no cover is very high risk. 1 hour ago, HalfTimePost said: But if we tried to spend £40m on somebody specifically to deputise Jack, and could play nowhere other than LW (so, not ESR). There would be a meltdown that Jack was leaving. A player that's spent months injured in 2 of the last 3 seasons. But that’s about emotion and fear of losing Jack and not whether it’s sensible to get that back up. Honestly it would be wise to get a quality back up for Jack…it sensible but yes it would cause emotional meltdown on here, does that make it wrong? No. I’m not advocating to buying a back up to Jack because we do have some back ups that can play in Jack’s position but we aren’t sure we have that for Ollie with Wes unknown and Davis out of favour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted July 1, 2021 Author Share Posted July 1, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Kiwivillan said: Tammy was great for us in Championship but didn't turn up in the playoff final. Was anonymous. Just needed to get that off my chest. Carry on Ahh now we know why you don’t like him Edited July 1, 2021 by nick76 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Delphinho123 said: Greet away my friend, greet away. I am Greet Edited July 1, 2021 by Kiwivillan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 Just now, nick76 said: Ahh now we know why you don’t like him Don't dislike him but much prefer Watkins overall game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted July 1, 2021 Author Share Posted July 1, 2021 6 minutes ago, Kiwivillan said: Don't dislike him but much prefer Watkins overall game That’s ok, it’s not about favouring one or the other it’s about having both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouUnastanFren Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 1 minute ago, nick76 said: That’s ok, it’s not about favouring one or the other it’s about having both. How many minutes do you envisage Abraham playing for us next season if he were to sign? Watkins played every minute he was available for, would've been every minute if it wasn't for that United ref decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted July 1, 2021 Author Share Posted July 1, 2021 16 minutes ago, YouUnastanFren said: How many minutes do you envisage Abraham playing for us next season if he were to sign? Watkins played every minute he was available for, would've been every minute if it wasn't for that United ref decision. I don’t know, based on a number of things from injuries, form, suspensions, tiredness, formations and tactics. As for Watkins playing every minute. Is that a good idea? A 100% fit, on form…yes without doubt you want him in but he looked very tired during some parts of the second half of the season and as somebody detailed a few pages that Ollie went two longs spells of games without scoring. That’s before any potential injuries, formation changes, tactics or chasing a game throwing an extra striker on. Both will get plenty of time whatever the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 49 minutes ago, Delphinho123 said: I'm not totally against playing Watkins on the left. With Grealish and Buendia as the other 2, I think there is enough creativity there to create plenty of chances. Watkins gives you pace, power, hard work and an eye for a goal. He'd also protect Targett a lot more and we'd be a more physical side. I don't really want to see it, but I think it could work, certainly in away matches where we perhaps don't have as much as the ball. Rashford see's himself as more of a striker but tends to play on the left and scores goals from that position, as does Martial (granted, both haven't had great seasons). Even Werner plays off the left for Chelsea sometimes. Having a striker play as a wide man might mean we score more goals, especially if Watkins drifts in at the back post when crosses are coming in down the right. Be quite the attack that. Loved Tammy here. I remember thinking I'd never seen a forward work so hard. Then Ollie Watkins appeared. As soon as we move Ollie from up front I think the whole team loses something. We'd be playing 10 yards deeper immediately. If Ollie was to miss games, Tammy is the best replacement we could hope for. If the club wants to do it, great. I trust other spots throughout the squad as well are being looked at as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QldVilla Posted July 1, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted July 1, 2021 51 minutes ago, Kiwivillan said: Tammy was great for us in Championship but didn't turn up in the playoff final. Was anonymous. Just needed to get that off my chest. Carry on So you whole methodology on Tammy is based on one game at the end of the season when all players are tired and need a break? PS.. We won the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rightdm00 Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 So many creaming over Tammy after he had the chance to come here and promptly turned us down. Couldn't be me. Rice is on his way out at West Ham and they have a striker, Antonio, who can't stay healthy. Pretty much a guarantee he ends up there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted July 1, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted July 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Kiwivillan said: Tammy was great for us in Championship but didn't turn up in the playoff final. Was anonymous. Just needed to get that off my chest. Carry on so was jack nevertheless i wouldn't drop the kind of money required on Tammy when that could be put to better use i.e. CDM and/or another winger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 Was a blessing in disguise that he chose Chelsea over us imo. We wouldn't end up with Watkins in an alternative universe who is a much better player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 Watkins is a much better striker than Abraham, so why would anyone even contemplate moving him to LW in order to accommodate an inferior striker. Makes no sense. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's Your Round Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 The only way Tammy coming back to Villa makes sense to me is if he’s happy to be part of the squad with no guarantees of the starting spot. He’d have to earn it by being better than Watkins, which I don’t believe he is. We shouldn’t be looking to move Watkins out wide to accommodate him. It would also have to be at a reasonable price, I doubt we’ll pay £40m of our budget for back up. £25-£30m maybe, seeing as Smith knows him well and he’d settle in quickly. If Tammy wants out of Chelsea and can accept he’s not guaranteed first choice, and Chelsea don’t hold us to ransom, then sure I’d take him. He’d be one hell of a second choice striker and would undoubtably make us stronger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMitch Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 33 minutes ago, Rightdm00 said: So many creaming over Tammy after he had the chance to come here and promptly turned us down. Couldn't be me. Rice is on his way out at West Ham and they have a striker, Antonio, who can't stay healthy. Pretty much a guarantee he ends up there. Uh... When was this? This is some revisionist history here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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