avfc1982am Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 26 minutes ago, Steero113 said: Methinks that is clutching at straws Sir and dare I say it, slightly defeatist. Like him or hate him David Ornstein is not a shithouse merchant. Your definitely clutching. He's a full on shithouse Arsenal fan. Gives it the boy next door look whilst lying through his arsenhole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCU Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 Keep chipping away. There's an easy route out of this for everyone involved... he signs a new contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 Not sure why people think we'd bid to troll Arsenal it's not something most clubs would do least of all ours, if we're bidding it's because we're seriously interested in the player. That said I don't believe this idea that we're only bidding because we've been fed information that he wants to join, I'm sure clubs bid for players all the time, without knowing that a player wants to join them, if someone from the athletic was reporting that a team were bidding for Grealish I doubt people would be saying that they must have an indication that it means Grealish wants to join them. We could simply be bidding because it's worth a try, which ultimately is probably the case with most transfer bids, it's just that some are more likely to happen that others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straggler Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 9 minutes ago, Steero113 said: Methinks that is clutching at straws Sir and dare I say it, slightly defeatist. Like him or hate him David Ornstein is not a shithouse merchant. I never clutch at straws, they are bad for the environment. Not even the metal reusable ones as they are a nightmare to clean. And don't even get me started on the paper ones, they just seem to stick to my lips then dissolve in my drink. My opinion on the journalistic credability of Dave was not a particularly serious one. Just a thought that popped into my head as a possibility he could maintain an impression of credability by using his own reporting to validate his previous reporting. I'm not really invested in it either way. That said i'm not going to trust pretty much any sports journalist on transfer gossip. I'm sure there are innocent people in jail, but I'm not about to leave my wallet on the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 Do Smith-Rowe and Alvarez both play similar positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 1 minute ago, AntrimBlack said: Do Smith-Rowe and Alvarez both play similar positions. Smith Rowe plays 10 or left forward, Alvarez more from the right or second striker / in behind a 9. If you think Barkley when he was pushed up really tight to Ollie that’s where Alvarez would play for us - imo. In that sense it’s one or the other, ESR plan A, Alvarez plan B - or both if we lost Jack. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 1 hour ago, beachboys1 said: will we make 3rd bid 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Silvers Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 1 minute ago, John said: Would (villa fan see) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted June 28, 2021 Author VT Supporter Share Posted June 28, 2021 20 minutes ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: Isn’t he worth whatever Arsenal will sell him for and whatever we’re willing to pay? He’s a talented young player, with Premier League experience who precisely fits the remit in a position we want to improve in. Whether his relative value is £45m or not doesn’t really matter unless we’re looking for value first and foremost rather than league positions. I suppose what i mean is comparatively is he worth it? If you compare him to say the Argentinian striker/winger that would be far cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted June 28, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted June 28, 2021 ESR reminds me of a younger Jack so much. imo, we should do everything we can to make it happen if there's interest from his side. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumerican Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 5 minutes ago, useless said: I'm sure clubs bid for players all the time, without knowing that a player wants to join them, I'd say that's borderline impossible in this technological age. Tapping up is super easy to do and very hard to prove. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 8 minutes ago, Nigel said: I suppose what i mean is comparatively is he worth it? If you compare him to say the Argentinian striker/winger that would be far cheaper. Is he worth it? Yes, without doubt. Compared to Alvarez? No idea, I know very little about him apart from video clips and comments. ESR though is a talent and young with masses of potential. In comparison to the market generally, ESR is definitely worth it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaJay Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 My main worry with him is that arsenal fans seem to rate this potential signing emotionally rather than objectively, they're more worried about the optics of losing a young player with potential and what that says about the boards ambition. When you read some views of their more rational fans, they've seen it all before with young players showing promise and would snap our hands off for 40m Some views from their forums: The irony of us turning down 30m for a non capped, couple of months of good form, 2 goals midfielder and saying with a straight face Maddison with goals, assists and caps is over priced at 70m "Esr has played just over 40 senior games, with nearly half of that at Huddersfield. There isn't exactly a track record there other than people hoping he will become something. Forgive me. I've seen this show before. Walcott, Ox, Wilshere, Gibbs, Bendtner all hyped up to be something and their careers amounted to nothing. 50m for a player with 6 months top level under their belt whilst being inconsistent is ridiculous money. Unfortunately emotion comes into it not rational logical thought.' "I remember ox and he was far more than exciting and after him I said never again with Arsenal youngster until they do it for two seasons. Remember when coquelin had that patch of great promise. Over the years we had far more exciting talents than esr and they all failed" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 23 minutes ago, Straggler said: I never clutch at straws, they are bad for the environment. What kind of nature do you live in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 1 minute ago, VillaJay said: My main worry with him is that arsenal fans seem to rate this potential signing emotionally rather than objectively, they're more worried about the optics of losing a young player with potential and what that says about the boards ambition. When you read some views of their more rational fans, they've seen it all before with young players showing promise and would snap our hands off for 40m Some views from their forums: The irony of us turning down 30m for a non capped, couple of months of good form, 2 goals midfielder and saying with a straight face Maddison with goals, assists and caps is over priced at 70m "Esr has played just over 40 senior games, with nearly half of that at Huddersfield. There isn't exactly a track record there other than people hoping he will become something. Forgive me. I've seen this show before. Walcott, Ox, Wilshere, Gibbs, Bendtner all hyped up to be something and their careers amounted to nothing. 50m for a player with 6 months top level under their belt whilst being inconsistent is ridiculous money. Unfortunately emotion comes into it not rational logical thought.' "I remember ox and he was far more than exciting and after him I said never again with Arsenal youngster until they do it for two seasons. Remember when coquelin had that patch of great promise. Over the years we had far more exciting talents than esr and they all failed" Have you watched ESR? With the lockdown, like most I’ve watched every game he’s played this season…he’s a real big talent. I can only judge with my own eyes but I think he’s the real deal. Nothing is guaranteed I guess but he looks to have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straggler Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, KenjiOgiwara said: What kind of nature do you live in? I don't understand the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMitch Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 5 minutes ago, VillaJay said: My main worry with him is that arsenal fans seem to rate this potential signing emotionally rather than objectively, they're more worried about the optics of losing a young player with potential and what that says about the boards ambition. When you read some views of their more rational fans, they've seen it all before with young players showing promise and would snap our hands off for 40m Some views from their forums: The irony of us turning down 30m for a non capped, couple of months of good form, 2 goals midfielder and saying with a straight face Maddison with goals, assists and caps is over priced at 70m "Esr has played just over 40 senior games, with nearly half of that at Huddersfield. There isn't exactly a track record there other than people hoping he will become something. Forgive me. I've seen this show before. Walcott, Ox, Wilshere, Gibbs, Bendtner all hyped up to be something and their careers amounted to nothing. 50m for a player with 6 months top level under their belt whilst being inconsistent is ridiculous money. Unfortunately emotion comes into it not rational logical thought.' "I remember ox and he was far more than exciting and after him I said never again with Arsenal youngster until they do it for two seasons. Remember when coquelin had that patch of great promise. Over the years we had far more exciting talents than esr and they all failed" Our scouting department has been on a roll lately... Martinez Cash Watkins Traore Buendia If they have reviewed all the footage of him from last season in Arsenal's first team, the previous season on loan at Huddersfield, and the hundreds of U23 & U18 games he's played in for Arsenal and still decide he's worth 50 million, I'm backing him to be a star for us. A bunch of delusional Arsenal fans trying to come to grips with losing one of the best talents to come through their system in decades can't convince me that one of the best scouting departments in Europe at the moment is making a colossal mistake. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 4 minutes ago, Straggler said: I don't understand the question. Was more a joke. Lets just say they didn't have plastic the first time they drew straws in England. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 30 minutes ago, Awol said: If you think Barkley when he was pushed up really tight to Ollie I shudder to think about that tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAZZAM Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 This just feels like a massive time waste. Arsenal ain't ever gonna sell him regardless if he's open to a move. Think we should just move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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