VillaChris Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Premier league does have a cheek though, I was randomly reminded of the 39th game idea from a decade ago that Scudamore dreamed up so you have the then CEO wanting to completely alter the integrity of the league season not so long ago! Power and money will always corrupt and warp people's minds I'm afraid and it will never change. I would say though for all the stick they get I think a lot of players and managers have stood up and said their piece behind the scenes in last 24 hours that has massively impacted on the U turns, only have to see the Guardiola press conference today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 1 hour ago, rbcuk said: Now all the English teams have released saying they have withdrawn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tomaszk Posted April 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 21, 2021 They're still planning it. If the can get away with it, Utd, Liverpool and Spurs will definitely head straight back. The punishments dished out need to be brutal so they don't even consider it. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Tomaszk said: They're still planning it. If the can get away with it, Utd, Liverpool and Spurs will definitely head straight back. The punishments dished out need to be brutal so they don't even consider it. Doesn't even look proofread. Like someone typed it on their phone. Yeah I'm sure the English teams caved because of the pressure "out on them". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderPower_14 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 (edited) United's statement: Quote Manchester United will not be participating in the European Super League. We have listened carefully to the reaction from our fans, the UK government and other key stakeholders. We remain committed to working with others across the football community to come up with sustainable solutions to the long-term challenges facing the game Those long term challenges being that Manchester United expect to be outrageously richer than everyone else they play football against and to win all the time and that hasn't been happening as much lately. The cheek from these bastards, upset that their own efforts to price everyone else out of football has come back too bite them and now they want special treatment not only to survive, but to maintain their privileged position. Edited April 21, 2021 by ThunderPower_14 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villadevon Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 30 minutes ago, briny_ear said: Can you “suspend” something that never even got set up? To scrap it would be admitting defeat, they will never do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Keyblade Posted April 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 21, 2021 Just now, ThunderPower_14 said: United's statement: Quote Manchester United will not be participating in the European Super League. We have listened carefully to the reaction from our fans, the UK government and other key stakeholders. We remain committed to working with others across the football community to come up with sustainable solutions to the long-term challenges facing the game. Those long term challenges being that Manchester United expect to be outrageously richer than everyone else they play football against and to win all the time and that hasn't been happening as much lately. The cheek from these bastards, upset that their own efforts to price everyone else out of football has come back too bite them and now they want special treatment not only to survive, but to maintain their privileged position. United really breaking the 4th wall there 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderPower_14 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Keyblade said: United really breaking the 4th wall there You'd think after almost 20 years on internet forums i'd have learned to type quote tags in the right place, but here we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulberto21 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 7 minutes ago, Tomaszk said: They're still planning it. If the can get away with it, Utd, Liverpool and Spurs will definitely head straight back. The punishments dished out need to be brutal so they don't even consider it. "Fully aligned with European law" correct me if I'm wrong but Brexit?. I need to be put in charge of the punishment. 5 year transfer ban. No voting rights. £200m fine each. Euro ban. Eff them. They agreed and signed up to destroy football. No mercy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, Villadevon said: To scrap it would be admitting defeat, they will never do that. They can bluster all they like but they have been defeated, to a large extent by their own ineptitude. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 The punishment should make them wish they hadn’t relented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewiek2 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Manchester is such a great city, I genuinely love going there. It's just a pity the city has two rocket polisher clubs and dickhead entitled supporters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OutByEaster? Posted April 21, 2021 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted April 21, 2021 There's no way this was a distraction bluff - they didn't need one, the changes to the Champions league were already settled and they definitely didn't need the embarrassment, the share price collapses and the resignations. They f***ed up. In terms of punishments, I'm in favour of this being about individuals - we do need the clubs, the league is better with them in it and the fans, players and coaching staffs at these clubs didn't do this, it's not on them. I wouldn't be looking at points deductions or bans. The individuals though, we should go after hard; Agnelli and Woodward have resigned - they and the other CEO's should all be banned from footballing activities for life. The CEO's are one thing, the owners another - the clubs involved should have restrictions placed on them until they are sold into new ownership, their voting rights should be suspended and they should be removed from any committees on which they sit, solidarity payments should be held in trust for the new owners. The war is over, but it's more important that we win the peace. It's vital that this starts a process of change, one that includes fans, governments, UEFA, FIFA, the PFA, the ECA and the Leagues - we need to make sure that there is never again so much power concentrated in the hands of such a small group of clubs. To do that, it's vital we find ways to financially enable clubs like Ajax, Roma, Lazio, Lyon, Everton, ourselves and many others so that the playing field becomes more even and the power is spread into a wider group of hands, and in doing that we also need to put in place regulations that help all clubs reduce their total spending. I'd like to see stronger legislation, and a more democratic management of leagues and competitions - I'd like to see the Premier League voting extended to any club that has been in the league in the last five years - so that for example, Norwich, Bournemouth and Watford could still vote - that reduces the influence of small groups by creating a larger voting circle - I'd like to see the same principle attached to European competition, so that if you want to change the Champions League, then three quarters of the teams that have competed in it over the last three years need to agree with you and it then needs to be ratified by UEFA. I'd like to see an acceptance that even the biggest clubs will sometimes need to tighten their belts and take a few years out from the very top of the tree, that it's not completely impossible that Real Madrid don't win the Champions League for ten years while they settle their debt and build again. I'd like to see a form of FFP that takes debt as it's major indicator of a clubs health, and that restricts the spending that clubs can do based not just on their top line, but on what they owe - so that we never again get into a position where a club has so much debt that they are desperate enough to bring down the whole game in order to service it - if Barcelona are a billion pounds in debt, they shouldn't be allowed to spend until that debt is reduced and if that means they finish mid-table in Spain for a couple of years, so be it. We need to cut off the head of this snake, remove these toxic individuals from the game, then slowly restructure so that it's a healthier place to be, with better competition that's better for football, all of football, not just a dozen brands. I know that sounds impossible, but as things stand, the debts and the demands of these clubs are like rust and they will creep back and keep creeping back until we treat them. Time for a proper change. 17 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Maybe, just maybe, the Madrid’s and the United’s etc can now look at making themselves sustainable rather than looking to change the entire fabric of competitive football to safeguard their spending. I’m delighted this has fallen down, I think it could well have been the straw that broke the camels back in terms of my relationship with football. It’s great to see the ‘big six’ coming back with their tails between their legs and the ongoing boardroom meltdowns. On one hand I’m all for punishment, sure it would be great to strip them of points or something like that but there’s value in taking the high ground now and not trying to react tit for tat. Football hangers-on like Perez are a cancer on the sport, having to listen to his bloated face talk about how football is broken is galling when he’s presided over a club who continually broke transfer fees and set record wages time after time, it’s not football that’s the problem with Madrid’s finances, it’s their inability to be anything other than the top dogs in all facets. No club has a right to be number one, every club has a right to strive to be number one. Faith in football somewhat restored, now to get rid of VAR too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danceoftheshamen Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 For me the punishment has to be relegation ... a reminder to these clubs of what it is like to have to rebuild and fight for promotion as they have clearly forgotten the difficult challenge it is. It would remind them, heck it would actually make them experience for the first time even just how tough it is to rise again when faced with FFP etc which did not exist the last time they had to gain promotions. Make them face and have to climb the protective wall they helped impose. It has to be this as it is the pyramid they were attempting to destroy. An eye for an eye effectively! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted April 21, 2021 Moderator Share Posted April 21, 2021 Arsenal's statement in full: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted April 21, 2021 Moderator Share Posted April 21, 2021 In terms of getting rid of the toxic twelve owners and chairmen, Barcelona and Real are owned by members, I would imagine they'll cast out Laporta and Perez at the earliest opportunity. AC Milan are owned by Paul Singer who is essentially a debt vulture, he'll have no interest in hanging around I'd imagine and will sell up at the first time of asking. I'm not sure about Inter, Atletico but I hope something can be done. Juventus are gong to be really difficult, the Agnelli family has owned and run the club since 1947 - how on earth you break that bond I don't know - removing the son from the CEO position isn't the same as taking the club away from the father. For me though it's the English owners who are going to be most difficult to get at; John Henry, the Glazers, Abramovich, Kroenke, Sheikh Monsour and Joe Lewis aren't going to be easy to do anything about. Joe Lewis is in his eighties and it might well be that his heirs will decide the club isn't worth the trouble, but the others are entrenched and experienced in dealing with their own unpopularity. It's not easy, but this is the group that should be facing punishments - and if UEFA and the leagues have any sense of their own self survival, they will need to make inroads on removing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 26 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: In terms of getting rid of the toxic twelve owners and chairmen, Barcelona and Real are owned by members, I would imagine they'll cast out Laporta and Perez at the earliest opportunity. AC Milan are owned by Paul Singer who is essentially a debt vulture, he'll have no interest in hanging around I'd imagine and will sell up at the first time of asking. I'm not sure about Inter, Atletico but I hope something can be done. Juventus are gong to be really difficult, the Agnelli family has owned and run the club since 1947 - how on earth you break that bond I don't know - removing the son from the CEO position isn't the same as taking the club away from the father. For me though it's the English owners who are going to be most difficult to get at; John Henry, the Glazers, Abramovich, Kroenke, Sheikh Monsour and Joe Lewis aren't going to be easy to do anything about. Joe Lewis is in his eighties and it might well be that his heirs will decide the club isn't worth the trouble, but the others are entrenched and experienced in dealing with their own unpopularity. It's not easy, but this is the group that should be facing punishments - and if UEFA and the leagues have any sense of their own self survival, they will need to make inroads on removing them. Just remove the headache of trying to remove the bad actors (cutting off a Hydra's head etc), and just punish/sanction them heavily and get them to play by the rules. They can keep the clubs if they stay in line but if they ever try some shit like that again, they'll be removed organically through pressure as I imagine the top will blow off the kettle if that happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 (edited) I've come around to the idea of docking them 20 points next season and banning them from both domestic cups for 3 years. UEFA won't have the balls to ban them from Europe, will they? Edited April 21, 2021 by maqroll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hornso Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Skeptic in me believes any punishment will be a slap on the wrist at most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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