Hank Scorpio Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 We sign a lot of players, bin them off kill their value and loan them out until contract expiry. Not a good business model. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 9 minutes ago, Hank Scorpio said: We sign a lot of players, bin them off kill their value and loan them out until contract expiry. Not a good business model. Hopefully due to change under Monchi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 8 hours ago, Hank Scorpio said: We sign a lot of players, bin them off kill their value and loan them out until contract expiry. Not a good business model. Like every other PL team. All teams have a large negative net spend that's the way the League works. Premier League five-year net spend table: Onana deal sees Man Utd close gap on Arsenal (football365.com) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanBalaban Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 8 hours ago, Hank Scorpio said: We sign a lot of players, bin them off kill their value and loan them out until contract expiry. Not a good business model. I think there's often been a lack of cohesion with some of the signings. Good player, shit team. Shit player, ok team. Right player, wrong manager(s), etc. The key thing is we have now is a truly elite management structure that understands exactly what they want in their team. This should mitigate some of the risk of new signings ending up in the Turkey / perennial loan bin. People wonder how Man City get so much money for some of their fringe players. The knock-on effect of a player in the squad of a Guardiola team outweighs the currency of having played regularly for a Dean Smith team for example. Hopefully we start to see some good fees for players that play a role for Don Unai, but may not have a longer term future as we become more successful. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 9 hours ago, Hank Scorpio said: We sign a lot of players, bin them off kill their value and loan them out until contract expiry. Not a good business model. It also seems we sign players that our manager(s) don't want. Sanson never got a chance under Smith so it's safe to conclude he wasn't part of the decision to sign him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, villa89 said: Sanson never got a chance under Smith so it's safe to conclude he wasn't part of the decision to sign him. He got injured not long after signing and doubt he was match fit often. Chelsea cup game I was at, he broke down but was MOTM to that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 9 hours ago, Hank Scorpio said: We sign a lot of players, bin them off kill their value and loan them out until contract expiry. Not a good business model. It's the only business model. When you sign 5 players, more than likely 1 or 2 won't work out. It's like any other business. You can't make perfect hires every time. In football you can bench them or loan them - in another business you are stuck with Karen or Scott who are just not very good and can't be fired. A chance to loan them out is great because it cushions the cost of that player, and gives them another chance to market themselves for a possible sale. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummybloke Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 7 minutes ago, villa89 said: It also seems we sign players that our manager(s) don't want. Sanson never got a chance under Smith so it's safe to conclude he wasn't part of the decision to sign him. At the time there were 3 people involved in signings, deano said so himself, they had a WhatsApp group where they would make suggestions on transfers. I imagine if 2 out of 3 said yes then it meant they would try and sign the player. Now it will be just 2 who make the decisions and I imagine they would both have to agree ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted July 25, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted July 25, 2023 More loans than Barclays. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwi1890 Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 2 hours ago, brummybloke said: At the time there were 3 people involved in signings, deano said so himself, they had a WhatsApp group where they would make suggestions on transfers. I imagine if 2 out of 3 said yes then it meant they would try and sign the player. Now it will be just 2 who make the decisions and I imagine they would both have to agree ? I don’t think it works entirely like that some players are offered by agents , some are presented by scouts. But for the most part the way Monchi works is the head coach identifies the profile of player needed then he and his team work towards finding a suitable target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Scorpio Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 5 hours ago, CVByrne said: Like every other PL team. All teams have a large negative net spend that's the way the League works. Premier League five-year net spend table: Onana deal sees Man Utd close gap on Arsenal (football365.com) That's fine except all the teams above us on that list have champions league football and far far larger income than we do. We can't afford under FFP to do this all the time. Sanson Traore Trezuguet El Ghazi As examples off the top of my head where money isburned with very little coming back in in way of resale value. I suppose the only point to that is most of those are players from our promotion season and now maybe we won't be in that position again once that initial group of players that are unwanted will move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indigo Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 Feel like he's clearly a good player but the damage has been done with his time at Villa and it's unfortunately just become a complete write-off of a signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 7 hours ago, StanBalaban said: I think there's often been a lack of cohesion with some of the signings. Good player, shit team. Shit player, ok team. Right player, wrong manager(s), etc. The key thing is we have now is a truly elite management structure that understands exactly what they want in their team. This should mitigate some of the risk of new signings ending up in the Turkey / perennial loan bin. People wonder how Man City get so much money for some of their fringe players. The knock-on effect of a player in the squad of a Guardiola team outweighs the currency of having played regularly for a Dean Smith team for example. Hopefully we start to see some good fees for players that play a role for Don Unai, but may not have a longer term future as we become more successful. Tifo did a good video yesterday about it. Apparently a study was done and only 53% of all Premier League transfers are successful 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 6 hours ago, Mic09 said: It's the only business model. When you sign 5 players, more than likely 1 or 2 won't work out. It's like any other business. You can't make perfect hires every time. In football you can bench them or loan them - in another business you are stuck with Karen or Scott who are just not very good and can't be fired. A chance to loan them out is great because it cushions the cost of that player, and gives them another chance to market themselves for a possible sale. Depends... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Hank Scorpio said: That's fine except all the teams above us on that list have champions league football and far far larger income than we do. We can't afford under FFP to do this all the time. Sanson Traore Trezuguet El Ghazi As examples off the top of my head where money isburned with very little coming back in in way of resale value. I suppose the only point to that is most of those are players from our promotion season and now maybe we won't be in that position again once that initial group of players that are unwanted will move on. My point seems lost on you. You pay money for your asset to play football which earns you income. The price you buy or sell the asset is a secondary thing. All PL clubs lose money on transfers. The teams above and below us in that table. Furthermore there was a tifo video about why half of PL transfers are failures. Half, yes half. Edited July 25, 2023 by CVByrne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 2 hours ago, Zatman said: Tifo did a good video yesterday about it. Apparently a study was done and only 53% of all Premier League transfers are successful Thats the video I'm referring to yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 9 hours ago, villa89 said: It also seems we sign players that our manager(s) don't want. Sanson never got a chance under Smith so it's safe to conclude he wasn't part of the decision to sign him. Not true as has been proven a million times before on this thread. Sanson was injured under Smith a couple of months after joining during COVID. Smith was fired the next season just as Sanson came back to fitness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceemo Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 Nice have gave us €1m in a loan fee and have a €5 million option to buy included in the loan deal according to French media. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 10 minutes ago, Ceemo said: Nice have gave us €1m in a loan fee and have a €5 million option to buy included in the loan deal according to French media. So €6m in total, what was the amount we could sell him for under FFP? Does it say how much of his salary they are covering? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceemo Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 33 minutes ago, duke313 said: So €6m in total, what was the amount we could sell him for under FFP? Does it say how much of his salary they are covering? I only know from the article I read below. Gives the financial details at the bottom. https://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2023/official-aston-villa-loan-morgan-sanson-to-nice/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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