abdulaziz1 Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 1 hour ago, roonst83 said: Do I think Barkley could be doing better? Yes. He looks slow on the ball and not aware of what’s around him too much and struggles to move the ball on at pace. However, a lot of the issue is with the fact we can’t get the ball to him higher up the pitch enough due to McGinn and Luiz getting overrun constantly in games. He’s a symptom of the overall issue which is our midfield not winning that midfield battle. He’s the main reason that our midfield getting overrun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillanousOne Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 (edited) To be fair both Luiz and McGinn were quite capable of being overrun without Ross in the team, both have been below par since the enforced Covid break and McGinn has been operating on a one good game in 5 basis since last season. I know people don't rate Nakamba, but we need someone to do the simple things well to enable the others a bit more freedom to be creative. Edited February 26, 2021 by VillanousOne 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry'sboots Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 29 minutes ago, jimmygreaves said: Isn't he part of the midfield which is getting overrun? Yes. And the fact he's not in there helping is an integral feature to its failure. He got plenty of ball in the Brighton game but it just kept bouncing off him!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roonst83 Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 40 minutes ago, jimmygreaves said: Isn't he part of the midfield which is getting overrun? Precisely. He’s a part of it. Yet he’s being labelled as the sole reason for our midfield issues which, in my opinion, he isn’t. McGinn is getting off very lightly with his performances as it’s easier to blame the high earning guy on loan. FWIW I’m absolutely not defending what I feel are poor recent performances by Barkley, I just think the whole midfield should be held accountable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keener window-cleaner Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 I think his passing is really good, one of his best attributes. Last game he dropped deeper and had more of the ball, which was good. As he has so good technique and so good passing ability I want him to be more involved and have more impact on the game. For me I'm questioning his effort and attitude, not his ability. But as said before, hopefully it's just a matter of form and confidence and that he will turn it around soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jimmygreaves Posted February 26, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 26, 2021 22 minutes ago, roonst83 said: Precisely. He’s a part of it. Yet he’s being labelled as the sole reason for our midfield issues which, in my opinion, he isn’t. McGinn is getting off very lightly with his performances as it’s easier to blame the high earning guy on loan. FWIW I’m absolutely not defending what I feel are poor recent performances by Barkley, I just think the whole midfield should be held accountable. The reason the midfield gets overrun is because at the moment we have 2 guys who have to pick up the slack of the 3rd guy who's not contributing. Luiz and McGinn are admittedly struggling recently but both are still working, tackling, covering, putting in a shift. Barkley is not and his lack of application goes a long way to explain our problems currently in midfield. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roonst83 Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 41 minutes ago, jimmygreaves said: The reason the midfield gets overrun is because at the moment we have 2 guys who have to pick up the slack of the 3rd guy who's not contributing. Luiz and McGinn are admittedly struggling recently but both are still working, tackling, covering, putting in a shift. Barkley is not and his lack of application goes a long way to explain our problems currently in midfield. Can’t disagree about Barkley’s lack of application. I just think McGinn and Luiz have been let off too lightly. Put a hard working Ramsey in Barkley’s position (which I’m not against us doing atall) and I still think we get overrun the way McGinn and Luiz have been playing of late. We can’t just blame Barkley for McGinn’s poor form, he’s well off his best with or without Barkley in the side and that’s hurting us, in my opinion, as much as Barkley’s poor performances. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbdrum88 Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 Just watched the pre match dean interview and when questioned on barkley he said If barkley had stayed on he'd of covered the most ground of any player on the pitch in the Leicester game. I must of been watching a different game or barkley had a plan to run himself ragged in the last part of the game, cos the most I saw him move was when he did a circle of the pitch back to the dugout when subbed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 12 hours ago, VillanousOne said: To be fair both Luiz and McGinn were quite capable of being overrun without Ross in the team, both have been below par since the enforced Covid break and McGinn has been operating on a one good game in 5 basis since last season. I know people don't rate Nakamba, but we need someone to do the simple things well to enable the others a bit more freedom to be creative. I rate Nakamba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Kbdrum88 said: Just watched the pre match dean interview and when questioned on barkley he said If barkley had stayed on he'd of covered the most ground of any player on the pitch in the Leicester game. I must of been watching a different game or barkley had a plan to run himself ragged in the last part of the game, cos the most I saw him move was when he did a circle of the pitch back to the dugout when subbed. This is why stats can be very misleading at times. If Barkley really is getting the running numbers by strolling around casually on the pitch I don't give a crap. It's about pressing with intensity. Making it difficult for the opponent being able to play. Winning the ball. He does none of that. Edited February 27, 2021 by villalad21 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted February 27, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Kbdrum88 said: Just watched the pre match dean interview and when questioned on barkley he said If barkley had stayed on he'd of covered the most ground of any player on the pitch in the Leicester game. I must of been watching a different game or barkley had a plan to run himself ragged in the last part of the game, cos the most I saw him move was when he did a circle of the pitch back to the dugout when subbed. Found the footage and I can confirm. 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keener window-cleaner Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 6 hours ago, villalad21 said: This is why stats can be very misleading at times. If Barkley really is getting the running numbers by strolling around casually on the pitch I don't give a crap. It's about pressing with intensity. Making it difficult for the opponent being able to play. Winning the ball. He does none of that. Fully agree, if jogging around slowly gets you good stats then those stats aren't worth much. As you say, what matters is the high intensity pressing at the right times, the bursts, the sprints, not the total distance you jogg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughable Chimp Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 (edited) Was looking through fbref and they recorded Barkley as having a very high amount of shot creating actions, but a low amount of goal creating actions. Meaning he's involved in creating a lot of shots for us, but a very high amount of those shots don't translate into goals. Wonder what explains that discrepancy. You don't see the same discrepancy in Grealish's and Traore's stats. Edited February 27, 2021 by Laughable Chimp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedClaretAndBlue Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 People can stop going on about a clause now 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 Dropped and deservedly so, this is a big test of his metal. If he gets on he should be raring to go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdman Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 6 hours ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Found the footage and I can confirm. Yeah that's interesting as to my eye his off the ball movement and work rate seemed awful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoony Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 Well this is his chance to show whether or not he actually cares about playing football. I suspect the answer is he doesn’t, he will see out his Chelsea contract and slowly disappear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouUnastanFren Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 6 minutes ago, BleedClaretAndBlue said: People can stop going on about a clause now Stupidest shit ever. Can you imagine having a clause that guarantees a player to start every game when fit? What if we had 4 games in 8 days? The imaginary clause started as him playing every minute when fit. And then when he started getting subbed off it became 'starts every game'. Now today when he gets subbed on at the end the clause will be that he is guaranteed to play some part in every game when fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoony Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 8 minutes ago, YouUnastanFren said: Stupidest shit ever. Can you imagine having a clause that guarantees a player to start every game when fit? What if we had 4 games in 8 days? The imaginary clause started as him playing every minute when fit. And then when he started getting subbed off it became 'starts every game'. Now today when he gets subbed on at the end the clause will be that he is guaranteed to play some part in every game when fit. It’s because the clause says he can be dropped when playing in Yorkshire. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedClaretAndBlue Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 Hopefully that was the last we saw of Dross Barkley sitting on the Holte End hoard & the next time we see him he’ll be the real Ross Barclay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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