TheMelvillan Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 7 minutes ago, KevinRichardsonsMoustache said: Valuations have gone to pot. I can’t make sense of any of the prices paid for players in major leagues in Europe now. However, experience and age don’t seem to matter as much as: how much is a team willing to pay? How much can the selling team hold out for? And what story or comparison can be crafted around the player. The valuation proposition of players used to make sense: it was like 80% ability 20% hype (with some notable exceptions). Over the last few years (probably just before our relegation actually), these numbers have been reversed: the player’s narrative now represents a huge proportion of their perceived value. Presumably this is why we have been shopping in Belgium and other leagues that aren’t as flush with cash, but that also place a greater emphasis of their valuations on perceived player ability, rather than the hype train. Thats a long winded way of saying: I have no idea what’s going on with transfer fees. Think we need to reset the transfer valuations because it is obscene. Divide all transfers by a factor of ten and start again. At this rate we will see the first ever billion pound player in our lifetimes and that makes me incredibly uncomfortable 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted September 11, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted September 11, 2020 9 hours ago, Wezbid said: Some comments from 2 Arsenal fans I know and another who hates Villa Arsenal fan 1 - "Very good keeper mate. In the games he played last season he was superb! I’d hate it if Arsenal sell him but Arsenal need the cash" Arsenal fan 2 - "I think he is great too Seems like a nice guy that has always been in the background of the club and overlooked but always ready" Villa hater - "I love Heaton Loved* Martinez is quality. Shame they spent so much on Leno" How can any Arsenal fan have beef with Villa? Unless he was at Highbury in 81 and still smarting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 41 minutes ago, Villarocker said: Well, they do say goalkeepers get better with age. By the end of his contract Shay Given will be world class. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 4 minutes ago, peterw said: Third, because the surprise signing of Messi should still rock up at B6 before him. 100% fact and ITK, by the way. He be a decent back up to Trezeguet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 I like it because he’s young (for a GK), plays for a big team and their fans aren’t happy this could be happening and while not a big name shows intent. Hopefully he will be successful as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 5 minutes ago, Jbvilla909 said: Would this make him only the second Argentinian to play for us? Bartlet didn’t actually play for the first team so technically it would make him the first ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterw Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Zatman said: He be a decent back up to Trezeguet fair point but the plan is to get him working with Jota so he can learn about playing wide and cutting in. My ITK said the club are worried that selling Jota will upset Messi so lansbury is on a Spanish speakers crash course to keep him onside. Not in a football sense ha ha ha ha. Edited September 11, 2020 by peterw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_Afro Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 I really hope this works out. I think the signs are very good. It seems like years since we last had a really good gk. I know Heaton looked promising but he was not in the team long enough to really make the spot his own. This could be a huge step forward for us 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randy_69 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 9 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: Bartlet didn’t actually play for the first team so technically it would make him the first ? Oscar Arce (1967) was first 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 13 minutes ago, TheMelvillan said: Think we need to reset the transfer valuations because it is obscene. Divide all transfers by a factor of ten and start again. At this rate we will see the first ever billion pound player in our lifetimes and that makes me incredibly uncomfortable Yep, it’s mental. Needs to be a wage cap as well. Everything need bringing down. Never going to happen though is it? What a crazy, senseless & unjust world we live in... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyexists Posted September 11, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted September 11, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, M_Afro said: I really hope this works out. I think the signs are very good. It seems like years since we last had a really good gk. I know Heaton looked promising but he was not in the team long enough to really make the spot his own. This could be a huge step forward for us I agree. I’m excited for him and for us and to see how this one pans out. We could be getting ourselves a first rate keeper for the next 8-10 years if all goes well. I do sort of wonder if all the clips of Heaton back on grass and training was a bit of a double bluff to make other clubs think we aren’t quite so desperate? It would be a real shame as I did like Heaton and he gave our back four a lot of confidence, not to mention he was a good shot stopper. I suppose the only misgiving with Martinez is that he’s played so few competitive games so far in his career. But a lot of that is because he was loyal to a club that didn’t really repay that loyalty. From the rumours I’ve heard I think/hope this one will go through over the weekend. Edited September 11, 2020 by alreadyexists 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wezbid Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 18 minutes ago, sidcow said: How can any Arsenal fan have beef with Villa? Unless he was at Highbury in 81 and still smarting. The Villa hater is a 3rd person, he doesn't follow a specific Prem team, just watches for the football. "I used to go when I was younger as my aunty is a season ticket holder. Remember them booing a young Peter Crouch coming on as a sub... For Villa..." From a 4th mate who I used to live in Coventry with (we both moved for Uni from North Wales). I came back over for a night out and on the way back to Wales I suggested we should go watch Villa. It was Sherwood's 1st home game, against Stoke. "I have to say, Aston Villa was probably the nastiest crowd i've ever sat in. I just remember ringing in my ears.... "Benteke you word removed!!!!" over and over again" Loved Villa Park though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 Just now, alreadyexists said: I agree. I’m excited for him and for us and to see how this one pans out. We could be getting ourselves a first rate keeper for the next 8-10 years if all goes well. I do sort of wonder if all the clips of Heaton back on grass and training was a bit of a double bluff to make other clubs think we aren’t quite so desperate? It would be a real shame as I did like Heaton and he gave our back four a lot of confidence, not to mention he was a good shot stopper. I suppose the only misgiving is that he’s plays so few competitive games so far in his career. But a lot of that is because he was loyal to a club that didn’t really repay that loyalty. From the rumours I’ve heard I think/hope this one will go through over the weekend. Heaton & Cutler will be great mentors for him (just get Nyland as far away from him as possible) and Tom will push him to perform at his best once fit too. We will have a genuinely top class GK department for once. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyexists Posted September 11, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted September 11, 2020 Just now, Jas10 said: Heaton & Cutler will be great mentors for him (just get Nyland as far away from him as possible) and Tom will push him to perform at his best once fit too. We will have a genuinely top class GK department for once. Totally agree. Nyland and Kalinic can just make them a cuppa or something! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparrow1988 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 I'm not really worried about the fact he hasn't played many games. Heaton hadn't played many more games at the same age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pez1974 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, randy_69 said: Oscar Arce (1967) was first If you don't know about this guy (surname pronounced 'Arse'), then are you really a Villa fan? He played alongside Jimmy Brown and Barrie Hole in midfield. Once, the programme (which only printed surnames) listed them in a particular order. Often comes up in 'funny' programmes/articles. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/funny_old_game/1704104.stm Edited September 11, 2020 by Pez1974 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, alreadyexists said: Totally agree. Nyland and Kalinic can just make them a cuppa or something! We need to offload them at the earliest opportunity! Think there would be some takers (we could fool!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post It's Your Round Posted September 11, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 11, 2020 4 minutes ago, alreadyexists said: Totally agree. Nyland and Kalinic can just make them a cuppa or something! Yeah if you want broken china and tea all over the place! 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted September 11, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted September 11, 2020 7 minutes ago, Pez1974 said: If you don't know about this guy (surname pronounced 'Arse'), then are you really a Villa fan? He played alongside Jimmy Brown and Barrie Hole in midfield. Once, the programme (which only printed surnames) listed them in a particular order. Often comes up in 'funny' programmes/articles. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/funny_old_game/1704104.stm Urban myth, they never played together (as the BBC article actually points out). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 1 minute ago, It's Your Round said: Yeah if you want broken china and tea all over the place! Nyland: 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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