Vive_La_Villa Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 Watkins is doing well but so are all those strikers called up so he’s probably a bit unlucky. Although surprised about Toney. Off topic but if I was Solley March I’d be well pissed off. Form doesn’t get you caps with Southgate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marka Ragnos Posted March 16, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted March 16, 2023 (edited) If there is one upside to Ollie Watkins not getting chosen, it’s that he will be on fire against Bournemouth. I think it’s great when a player has something to prove. I’m sorry for him, it’s shit, but I hope it helps him “fail upward.” Edited March 16, 2023 by Marka Ragnos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's Your Round Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 Just noticed this about Watkins, I’m not surprised that he’s not been picked. I’d have taken him but then I’d have taken Mings too, and I’m also not a massive clearing in the woods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macandally Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 Southgate will trot out any old crap as long as he gets to keep picking his favourites. The bloke has wasted a generation and nobody has held him to account. Bellend! 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 Southgate punishing Villa players again because Villa fans live rent free in his head due to imaginary martyr complex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 (edited) On 15/03/2023 at 19:54, MrBlack said: It always amazes me how bad some players can "look" when playing in the Premier league. The number of semi pros I've played alongside that have absolutely wiped the floor with any of the usual crowd I played with, and yet never even got close to making it out the local Saturday league, let alone into non league. PL pros are all an absolute mile above what you see in the day to day, but the difference is they're playing against other players of a similar standard, and it can make them look poor on occasion. Watkins is insanely fit, and his finishing and first touch are better than he'd been showing, until his recent run of form. He's also now got a coach, playing an actual system and, that is coaching him on where to be and when to be there. Great to see him back in form. It's madness when you think about those levels. So people who stand out at 5-a-side, then semi pros, pros, then not only PL (or equivalent abroad) level players but also world class players, and then the extreme elite such as Ronaldo and Messi. It's like how can anyone be that good Edited March 16, 2023 by Tom13 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 5 hours ago, icouldtelltheworld said: Kane will play every minute of any game that counts anyway, so Southgate only needs to pick one other ST so he can give the illusion of a plan B. Disappointed for Ollie in fairness, deserved a call up on recent form This. The boring predictability of Southgate is just one of his many, many weaknesses. He'd fail miserably at club management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zab6359 Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 In as decent form as he is I can't see who Ollie is replacing out of those forward players picked, he just needs to keep playing well and give himself a chance. Southgate is still a big nosed knobhead though just because! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichW Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 Only way Watkins was getting in was if Toney wasn’t going to be called up. Had no chance of getting ahead of Kane, Rashford and Toney. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burchy Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 As some posters have already stated this is going to help Villa and Watkins. Hopefully he can shoved a load more goals down the big noses throat over the next few weeks. **** Southgate and his Dier/Maguire love fest. The man is a joke, simple as. Deano could have won the Euros with the players we had/have. Media seem to love Southgate for some obscure reason though 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheltenham_villa Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 As others have said, i dont really see an Agenda here, just a really difficult squad to get into and in reality he needs to be better than Toney. All the rest are picking themselves. Out of the two, i think id have picked Toney. Sorry Ollie. Keep plugging away. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 13 hours ago, Kiwivillan said: Southgate punishing Villa players again because Villa fans live rent free in his head due to imaginary martyr complex Absolutely nailed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 Theres no hidden agenda from Southgate. Hes picked his strongest squad. No way would he get in ahead of Rashford and Toney. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 On 16/03/2023 at 19:18, VillaParkAvenue said: Imagine Ollie returning after spending time in Southgate's camp Selfies go in the Rogues Gallery mate? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 5 hours ago, PaulC said: Theres no hidden agenda from Southgate. Hes picked his strongest squad. No way would he get in ahead of Rashford and Toney. People who genuinely think the bloke would risk losing his job and choose a weaker squad on purpose due to some sort of vendetta against Villa are bizarre ( Now this doesn't necessarily mean his choices are right, but ) It appears they think people outside Villa are as obsessed with it as we are. Similarly to the Fullback positions, there are a load of quality fullbacks who will never get into the squad because England are blessed there. I've said there is a stronger argument for Mings not being included. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 26 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: People who genuinely think the bloke would risk losing his job and choose a weaker squad on purpose due to some sort of vendetta against Villa are bizarre ( Now this doesn't necessarily mean his choices are right, but ) It appears they think people outside Villa are as obsessed with it as we are. Similarly to the Fullback positions, there are a load of quality fullbacks who will never get into the squad because England are blessed there. I've said there is a stronger argument for Mings not being included. I don't think he has a vendetta against Villa at all, but I do think he wasn't a big fan of Jack's personality before. But more to the point, the bloke is just clueless and boringly predictable to manage against! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoony Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 On 16/03/2023 at 14:23, Steero113 said: Absolutely disgusting that Kalvin Phillips is called up when players like Ollie are being overlooked. Literally downright outrageous. He's played 56 mins of PL football in 9 months. 56. Fifty f**king six. For context, neither me nor Kalvin Phillips have played a full game of premier league football this season. He must have JUST pipped me to the post. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderball Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 I think it’s right on balance but have to say I’m surprised at Toney’s inclusion given the serious unresolved case he has in front of him. I think Mings omission is a bigger argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyangel Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 I hope he smashes in a hattrick today to prove the sad individual in charge of the national team wrong (and to get us the 3 points too!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 Southgate has to pick Toney and take a look at him, get him his first England cap. I think as he's shown with Wilson, whoever is in form he'll bring to a world cup. Toney deserves his chance and has been in form for Brentford. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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