useless Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 Can't play for us again this season, but looks like he's back at Bodymoor Heath and training with our first team squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messi11 Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 Thought he was England's best player for 60 mins before being subbed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 (edited) In a footballing sense, he looked a lot like his older brother in the England game tonight. Eye for goal, always looking to move the ball forward, and a real calm head. Crazy to think how good he can be, given he should be better than Jacob when he is fully developed, according to accepted science. Edited June 19, 2022 by MrBlack 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMitch Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 Unlucky to not get on the scoresheet. Had an open goal shot saved off the line by a crazy last ditch effort by a defender stretched running at full speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 4 hours ago, KMitch said: Unlucky to not get on the scoresheet. Had an open goal shot saved off the line by a crazy last ditch effort by a defender stretched running at full speed. It was his good pressing that set that chance up too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 10 hours ago, MrBlack said: Crazy to think how good he can be, given he should be better than Jacob when he is fully developed, according to accepted science. It often doesn't work out like that though. Just because the younger brother appears to have more talent doesn't mean he will make it. Plenty of examples of that being the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 Love that we had so many players in the side - I was even confused because the short high shouldered right wing back with the braids and long name on his back wasn’t Philogene Bidace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, a m ole said: Love that we had so many players in the side - I was even confused because the short high shouldered right wing back with the braids and long name on his back wasn’t Philogene Bidace. Ramsey, Carney, Tim. Any more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante_Lockhart Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 I'm dreaming, of a diamond formation first team consisting of Tim, Ramsey, Ramsey and Chuk with Barry and Archer sitting up top. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 5 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Ramsey, Carney, Tim. Any more? No, but 3 is a lot considering the state of football these days, we have a number on the fringes and in the U21s, and younger lads who will be joining soon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulMcGrath_5 Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, a m ole said: No, but 3 is a lot considering the state of football these days, we have a number on the fringes and in the U21s, and younger lads who will be joining soon. 3! Is that it?! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 19 minutes ago, villa89 said: It often doesn't work out like that though. Just because the younger brother appears to have more talent doesn't mean he will make it. Plenty of examples of that being the case. Often maybe it doesn't, but definitely more often it does. A lot of cases you won't hear about are where the older sibling didn't even make it into to the world of professional football. Guess you could argue the effect once you're at the top level becomes less relevant, but it's there. Marginal gains, etc, should give Aaron the benefit over his bro. You are right that he may well not be better than Jacob, but statistically speaking he should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 6 minutes ago, MrBlack said: Often maybe it doesn't, but definitely more often it does. A lot of cases you won't hear about are where the older sibling didn't even make it into to the world of professional football. Guess you could argue the effect once you're at the top level becomes less relevant, but it's there. Marginal gains, etc, should give Aaron the benefit over his bro. You are right that he may well not be better than Jacob, but statistically speaking he should be. I'm sure there are just as many examples you don't hear of the younger brother not making it to professional football either? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 10 minutes ago, duke313 said: I'm sure there are just as many examples you don't hear of the younger brother not making it to professional football either? Sure. But scientific studies have shown its more often than not the other way round. Jeez, I'm not saying he will definitely be better. Just accept we have a fantastic talent in Jacob already, and chances are another one coming through that will likely be as good, and quite possibly better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughable Chimp Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 1 hour ago, MrBlack said: Sure. But scientific studies have shown its more often than not the other way round. Jeez, I'm not saying he will definitely be better. Just accept we have a fantastic talent in Jacob already, and chances are another one coming through that will likely be as good, and quite possibly better. I'm curious of these scientific studies and what exactly are they saying because I'm a bit confused with the point you're making. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWARLEY2 Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 Forget science lets talk about how obvious it is. A younger brother will most likely have to be more compeitive to play with an older brother. Which means he in many cases becomes better quicker. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 21 minutes ago, MWARLEY2 said: Forget science lets talk about how obvious it is. A younger brother will most likely have to be more compeitive to play with an older brother. Which means he in many cases becomes better quicker. The studies offered that as one of the possible reasons why they were found to be better more often than not. There are many other factors as well, and nearly all point to a benefit that a younger sibling has. Obviously, the ratio of genes you get from your folks probably also has a significant say, so it isn't 100% consistent. Not sure why there is so much resistance to this point. All a bit weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam2003 Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 (edited) 46 minutes ago, MrBlack said: The studies offered that as one of the possible reasons why they were found to be better more often than not. There are many other factors as well, and nearly all point to a benefit that a younger sibling has. Obviously, the ratio of genes you get from your folks probably also has a significant say, so it isn't 100% consistent. Not sure why there is so much resistance to this point. All a bit weird. I’m just seeing this now so I’m not part of any ‘resistance’, I’ve just never heard of this science or these studies before. What’s the actual claim - that younger siblings will usually be better at sport than older siblings? Edit - just researching it now after typing, seems to be from this book by Tim Wigmore. Will check it out. Edited June 20, 2022 by Adam2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyjavfc Posted June 20, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted June 20, 2022 The younger brother is always the evil one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughable Chimp Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Adam2003 said: I’m just seeing this now so I’m not part of any ‘resistance’, I’ve just never heard of this science or these studies before. What’s the actual claim - that younger siblings will usually be better at sport than older siblings? Edit - just researching it now after typing, seems to be from this book by Tim Wigmore. Will check it out. From what I've read, it seems to just be that elite athletes are more likely to be younger siblings as opposed to older siblings. In which case, I don't think you can use that to claim that Aaron should be better than Jacob. Imagine if 2 people entered different lotteries. A has a 2 percent chance of winning 200 dollars and nothing else. J has a 1 percent chance of winning 100 dollars and nothing else. Person A has a higher likelihood of winning more money than person J. But given that person J won his lottery, it wouldn't be correct to say that Person A is expected to win more money than person J actually won in his. In fact, he still isn't expected to win any money at all. Of course unlike Person A and Person J, the fact that Jacob has succeeded to reach such a high level is going to make it more likely that Aaron will too. However, there's a difference between making it more likely and making it expected. Even if person A's probability of winning increased all the way up to 20 percent as a result of person J's success, its still not correct to say that he is expected to win more than Person J. This is my view of the situation. Edited June 20, 2022 by Laughable Chimp 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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