Generic Virus Thread

[markavfc40]

Johnson will now get to release a video every couple of days, spout what he/whoever pulls his strings believes shows him in the best light and get zero direct scrutiny. This is the man who prorogued Parliament to avoid scrutiny so in many ways this will now suit him down to the ground.

It was his worst nightmare having to lead through a crisis like this given it was one we were ill prepared for and have since made a right pigs ear of which combined has left us facing being worse hit than most.

[blandy]

As a medical simpleton, I've got a question - sort of related to what the Gov't seem to be doing.

Basically, there's no cure or vaccine at the moment, so clearly the issue/plan is to reduce the number of people getting it at any one time, so the hospitals can cope with the severely ill. So our rate of infection compared to the US or Germany is much much less relevant than the rate v capacity. Yet the media concentrate a lot on comparison with other places and not at all on comparison with capacity to treat people. This seems to be missing a key factor, surely.

Yes we've had stories about Nightingale facilities, but not whether they're sufficient, more than sufficient,  etc. based on stats.

It's like there's a whole set of data missing, and not being sought.

 

[Stevo985]

28 minutes ago, sharkyvilla said:

I suspect he was really ill but not quite as bad as you usually would have to be to get given intensive care treatment.  I never know if they have a medical facility permanently on the go for the Prime Minister just in case of emergencies, the President of the US probably has one I'd have thought.

Agreed. Although I do think he was ill enough to be in intensive care. He was in there for days. That’s not a precaution. 
 

But as someone else said, he was apparently never on a ventilator, so I find it hard to believe he was as close to death as is now being made out. 
 

They under played it while he was in there and now that they realise he’s going to recover and that it will make him sound like a hero, they’ll make out he was on his death bed. 
 

Like I said, I’m sure the reality is in the middle of what the government have told us. 

[sne]

10056 people dead in the state of New York according to Governor Andrew Cuomo.

[brommy]

15 minutes ago, sne said:

10,056 people dead in the state of New York according to Governor Andrew Cuomo.

Absolutely tragic.

I’ve added the comma to help the Priti people.

[Troglodyte]

Ten million thousand fifty six hundred and ten thousand?

[PaulC]

We can all speculate just how ill he was but none of us really know. At the end of the day I'm just glad he pulled through same as I would be anybody else. 

 

[PieFacE]

13 minutes ago, PaulC said:

We can all speculate just how ill he was but none of us really know. At the end of the day I'm just glad he pulled through same as I would be anybody else. 

 

I mean, I think everyone in this thread is too regardless of political views. 

[Jareth]

Ok, so what the actual F is going on then? At what level of complete and utter moronity are this government at? 

Government has bought no Covid-19 home testing kits despite Matt Hancock's claim millions had been purchased

The confusion over the antibody testing kits will add to growing concern that the Government is losing any grip it had on the coronavirus pandemic.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/02/government-has-bought-no-covid-19-home-testing-kits-despite/

[PaulC]

4 minutes ago, PieFacE said:

I mean, I think everyone in this thread is too regardless of political views. 

No comment 

[terrytini]

1 hour ago, blandy said:

As a medical simpleton, I've got a question - sort of related to what the Gov't seem to be doing.

Basically, there's no cure or vaccine at the moment, so clearly the issue/plan is to reduce the number of people getting it at any one time, so the hospitals can cope with the severely ill. So our rate of infection compared to the US or Germany is much much less relevant than the rate v capacity. Yet the media concentrate a lot on comparison with other places and not at all on comparison with capacity to treat people. This seems to be missing a key factor, surely.

Yes we've had stories about Nightingale facilities, but not whether they're sufficient, more than sufficient,  etc. based on stats.

It's like there's a whole set of data missing, and not being sought.

 

I concur.

Need v Capacity ( in particular ‘need’ getting to a point where it’s within ‘ capacity’ ) is the whole ball game, certainly in the short to medium term, yet almost ignored.

[Brumstopdogs]

Well played to Ches - have to say he seems a genuine decent guy.

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/aston-villa/2020/04/13/aston-villas-james-chester-makes-flat-available-to-nhs/

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The 30-year-old has been on loan at Stoke since January, meaning his West Midlands base is currently vacant. Chester has listed the flat on the NHS Homes scheme, making it free for NHS workers to use if required during the pandemic. 

He explained: “At the moment my Birmingham flat is empty, but this week I put it on a scheme for NHS staff. NHS Homes, it’s called. I only heard about it in the last few days. If doctors or nurses in the area need a place to stay, it’s there.” 

Chester has also explained Villa’s involvement in the #playerstogether fund which allows Premier League players to donate money to NHS charities.

Captain Jack Grealish and Tom Heaton were involved in discussions over setting up the scheme, which was driven by Liverpool’s Jordan Henderson. Tyrone Mings, meanwhile, is co-ordinating the Villa players’ contributions. 

Chester added: “I’m not sure how other clubs have done it, but at Villa we are texting Tyrone with the percentage of our monthly wage we want donating, and that will be sent direct by the club to the charity. It’s not compulsory, and a few of the lads who have come from abroad are interested in helping back home, which is understandable.”

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-coronavirus-pandemic-chester-18085812

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James Chester has revealed the horrific extent of Aston Villa masseur Alex Butler's fight against coronavirus. 

A popular member of Dean Smith's back room team, Alex fought hard for his life and even sent out texts to his loved ones in fear of not making it.

Chester, Villa's club captain prior to his loan move to Stoke City, told the Athletic : "At Villa, we’ve had personal experience of the seriousness of the disease. 

"One of our masseurs, Alex Butler, was admitted to hospital after suffering severe symptoms and for a brief, worrying period doctors considered putting him into a three-week coma to manage his ventilation.

"He was already in intensive care and his breathing was really bad.

"He’s since told me he feared the worst. He sent out text messages to his loved ones – he has a little girl – in case he didn’t make it through.

"Fortunately, as he was waiting for a bed to go into a coma, the doctors upped the dosage of his medication and his stats improved overnight.

"He was in there with his mum, who is also a nurse, and both were discharged together 10 days after going in.

"I’ve spoken to him this week and he said he still gets really tired really easily doing anything. He says he can never repay those NHS workers for saving his life."

Chester, meanwhile, proved his class yet again by this brilliant gesture to the man who used to tend to his aches and pains.

"To keep his spirits up, I sent Alex a little food package this week," added Chester.

"I have an apartment in Birmingham and in the same block live a chef and his wife.

"They run a really good restaurant called Carters in Moseley.

"Because they’re not allowed people in the restaurant, they are doing “survival boxes” and delivering within a 10-mile radius.

"So I’ve ordered Alex a few. I told him the only condition is I need pictures, because I’m really jealous I can’t get them! It’s amazing food."

 

Edited April 13, 2020 by Brumstopdogs

[Jareth]

 

[Stevo985]

1 minute ago, Jareth said:

 

Further to this, I’d expect a huge jump in deaths in tomorrow’s numbers. Numbers are always lower on the weekend, which I assume applies to bank holidays too. 
 

I’d guess tomorrow will be our first day with over 1000 deaths. And probably comfortably so. 
Obviously I hope I’m wrong. 

[Jareth]

Just now, Stevo985 said:

Further to this, I’d expect a huge jump in deaths in tomorrow’s numbers. Numbers are always lower on the weekend, which I assume applies to bank holidays too. 
 

I’d guess tomorrow will be our first day with over 1000 deaths. And probably comfortably so. 
Obviously I hope I’m wrong. 

Yeah I wish it was lower, it's anxiety inducing - but it's a time when we need to reflect on the whole number and not just the easier hospital number. Saw some stats earlier for European countries and the majority were reporting care homes, over two weeks more up to date than the ONS is able to. That said, 1500 die in a day, I am sure they can find a Boris friendly headline to take priority. 

[markavfc40]

There is no doubt that the figures for deaths in UK are way off. The EU released data today that showed between 42% and 57% of deaths in Spain, Italy, France, Ireland and Belgium were in care homes. I think if we said there have been 3k deaths in care homes here on top of the deaths that have been reported it wouldn't be an over estimate. The trouble is we aren't testing many of those who die in care homes are we so I doubt we'll ever get anything close to accurate figures.

It is becoming clear now though, especially given that Raab said today we are not yet past the peak, that even if we aren't counting all deaths we are on course to be one of the most affected countries.

 

Edited April 13, 2020 by markavfc40

[Genie]

Just watched a video on fb, guy had his flat door kicked in by 4 or 5 police officers to check he wasn’t having a gathering. He refused to open the door as he said he was isolating. Must be a bit more to it, but still, feels like another case of police over stepping the mark.

You could see it in the police officers faces as they were being filmed and the flat was empty they had **** up and would be in a spot of bother.

[Awol]

France extends their lockdown to the 11th of May.

[NurembergVillan]

2 hours ago, Jareth said:

Yeah I wish it was lower, it's anxiety inducing - but it's a time when we need to reflect on the whole number and not just the easier hospital number. Saw some stats earlier for European countries and the majority were reporting care homes, over two weeks more up to date than the ONS is able to. That said, 1500 die in a day, I am sure they can find a Boris friendly headline to take priority. 

"OVER 65M COVID SURVIVORS IN JUST ONE DAY!"

[leemond2008]

Anyone got any guesses on how long the lockdown is going to go on for.

I've gotta be honest I'm starting to really struggle with it, I haven't had a face to face conversation with anyone in 3 weeks, I'm miserable working from home, I live in a one bedroom flat, I am pretty much living in 2 rooms 24/7, I've started drinking pretty heavily again (trying to knock that on the head)

I always said that working from home wouldn't do my mental health much good but working from home and not being allowed to go outside is really taking its toll on me.