Kuwabatake Sanjuro Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 Just now, Stevo985 said: Yes and no. It can vary quite a lot. I'm no expert but my mom worked at a couple towards the end of her career. One was a "retirement community" where it was old people who had retired and lived in their own apartments. But they had communal restaurants and common areas and such. Some had carers some didn't, but that was arranged externally. The second one was a retirement home where they didn't have their own apartments, some had carers which were employed by the home. Some didn't. Some had 24 hour care some didn't. Then there are specialist care homes for, as you say, people with special needs who can't be accommodated by a "normal" (for want of a better word) home. So whether "care homes" is a term that is being used to encompass all of these, I'm not sure. I suspect it is. Just checked the figures in Ireland in relation to nursing home deaths and as of last Friday it was over half the total deaths. That gives you an idea of the under reporting of deaths over there I think. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted April 13, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted April 13, 2020 So I'm all for questioning media outlets but Britain missed three opportunities to be part of an EU scheme to bulk-buy masks, gowns and gloves and has been absent from key talks about future purchases, the Guardian can reveal, as pressure grows on ministers to protect NHS medics and care workers on the coronavirus frontline. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/13/uk-missed-three-chances-to-join-eu-scheme-to-bulk-buy-ppe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wezbid Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 Maybe a journalist with a bit of a backbone could ask whoever's hosting tomorrow's spin session why care home deaths aren't being included in the figures. Even if we all know the answer, ask the question! Not like they're not already asking questions they know the answer to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted April 13, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted April 13, 2020 Just now, Wezbid said: Maybe a journalist with a bit of a backbone could ask whoever's hosting tomorrow's spin session why care home deaths aren't being included in the figures. Even if we all know the answer, ask the question! Not like they're not already asking questions they know the answer to. They've asked a couple of times. The answer is they're sticking to the NHS figures because it's quick, and it's comparing apples with apples and it gives us an idea of trends in a timely manner. Whether you agree with it or not (and more and more I don't) they're being pretty open about it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakotaDakota Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 14 minutes ago, sne said: Thoughts and prayers I guess. Maybe stuff like this can lead to people actually thinking for themselves or listening to the people who actually have a clue. But of course it won't https://www.tmz.com/2020/04/13/virginia-pastor-dead-dies-covid-19-after-packed-church-service-coronavirus/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wezbid Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Stevo985 said: They've asked a couple of times. The answer is they're sticking to the NHS figures because it's quick, and it's comparing apples with apples and it gives us an idea of trends in a timely manner. Whether you agree with it or not (and more and more I don't) they're being pretty open about it. Ahh, I see, my apologies. I generally rely on this thread for info relating to all this, including the daily briefings as I can't stomach it. Perhaps they could have 2 figures, 1 for hospital only and the other for a combination that doesn't have to be tallied up as quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted April 13, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted April 13, 2020 (edited) Care home figures will be astronomical. The places have all the problems you have with things like cruise ships, except the entire population is going to smack bang in the risk range at 90% of these facilities. In the main people thinking about care homes are thinking of the elderly residential care places where a person has a room and care staff doing the rounds etc etc with each resident have varying levels of needs and so on. We do have care homes for those with special needs (physical and mental) but in the main those I'd expect would be roughly in line with the country as a whole for deaths, just because of the range of ages and states of people, as opposed to the clustering of elderly people. Sadly this just reminds me of those horrific reports of Spanish care homes being abandoned with residents still there, left to die. Edited April 13, 2020 by Chindie 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted April 13, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted April 13, 2020 10 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: it's comparing apples with apples and it gives us an idea of trends in a timely manner. But literally every other country in our continent can report care home figures in a more timely manner. Call me cynical but care homes are providing a valuable service right now for those in charge, in that they cost f*ck all, they house over 50% of deaths, and they are not reported. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, Wezbid said: Perhaps they could have 2 figures, 1 for hospital only and the other for a combination that doesn't have to be tallied up as quickly. They do. The former are the ones being released daily by the Dept of Health and the latter are the ONS figures that are going to be released weekly (first bulletin was last Tuesday which covered the week ending 27th March). 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 Coronavirus infection may cause lasting damage throughout the body, doctors fear Quote For a world grappling with the new coronavirus, it’s becoming increasingly clear that even when the pandemic is over, it won’t really be over. Now doctors are beginning to worry that for patients who have survived COVID-19, the same may be true. For the sickest patients, infection with the new coronavirus is proving to be a full-body assault, causing damage well beyond the lungs. And even after patients who become severely ill have recovered and cleared the virus, physicians have begun seeing evidence of the infection’s lingering effects. ... In a study posted this week, scientists in China examined the blood test results of 34 COVID-19 patients over the course of their hospitalization. ... Chief among the worrisome test results were readings that suggested these apparently recovered patients continued to have impaired liver function. That was the case even after two tests for the live virus had come back negative and the patients were cleared to be discharged. ... “I think there will be long-term sequelae,” said Yale cardiologist Dr. Joseph Brennan, using the medical term for a disease’s downstream effects. “I don’t know that for real,” he cautioned. “But this disease is so overwhelming” that some of the recovered are likely to face ongoing health concerns, he said. ...for much more see link 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted April 13, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted April 13, 2020 7 minutes ago, Jareth said: But literally every other country in our continent can report care home figures in a more timely manner. Call me cynical but care homes are providing a valuable service right now for those in charge, in that they cost f*ck all, they house over 50% of deaths, and they are not reported. Yep, maybe it's an excuse. All I'm saying is the government haven't been hiding it as such. They haven't been pretending they're reporting them and they aren't. When it does start getting included it'll be interesting to see what the reaction is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wezbid Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 10 minutes ago, snowychap said: They do. The former are the ones being released daily by the Dept of Health and the latter are the ONS figures that are going to be released weekly (first bulletin was last Tuesday which covered the week ending 27th March). Thanks. I'm on there now and it's confusing me a bit on what is actually what. I'll have a look again tomorrow with clearer eyes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 I just don't know how they will possibly spin this whens its all over. Or will the media help cover it up? Will most people not care once life gets back to normal. This should ultimately be the end of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 1 hour ago, PaulC said: Strange one that. If the police were banging on my door I would just open it. Could be a setup! I agree, more to it than shared but still, you’d hope the police would have some good evidence before kicking your front door in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Wezbid said: Thanks. I'm on there now and it's confusing me a bit on what is actually what. I'll have a look again tomorrow with clearer eyes. They're due to be publishing the next update tomorrow so that should give more info, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, DCJonah said: I just don't know how they will possibly spin this whens its all over. Or will the media help cover it up? Will most people not care once life gets back to normal. This should ultimately be the end of them. End of the conservative govt? No chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 17 minutes ago, snowychap said: Coronavirus infection may cause lasting damage throughout the body, doctors fear Well, that’s pretty disturbing. I was getting used to the idea of catching it this summer and hopefully being good by autumn. Not sure about that anymore! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted April 13, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted April 13, 2020 13 minutes ago, DCJonah said: I just don't know how they will possibly spin this whens its all over. Or will the media help cover it up? Will most people not care once life gets back to normal. This should ultimately be the end of them. People will blindly believe we did everything perfectly. They'll blame the highest death toll on Europe on something else. I've said it before and I believe it, Johnson and the Tories will come out of this better than ever. Inexplicably. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Awol said: Well, that’s pretty disturbing. I was getting used to the idea of catching it this summer and hopefully being good by autumn. Not sure about that anymore! Yes, I remember people talking about the obvious issue with lungs a while back in the thread but the stuff about other organs as well is a little worrying. I suppose the counter is that the study from China is only a few patients, there's the difficulty of distinguishing Covid-related after-effects from issues that vulnerable patients may have already had (as they go on to say) and that we're relatively early in the life-cycle of the whole thing so will only know more for certain as time goes on. But you have to be concerned about the noises being made. Edited April 13, 2020 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 16 minutes ago, DCJonah said: I just don't know how they will possibly spin this whens its all over. Or will the media help cover it up? Will most people not care once life gets back to normal. This should ultimately be the end of them. It's hardly even spin anymore. It's deflating to watch play out. They just outright lie and keep lying and get their bots on social media lying. Then dummies parrot it, lies get muddied in with facts and many just decide to believe whatever they find agreeable. The organised peppering of Starmer yesterday was hilarious, or it would be if people won't be bringing it up in 12 months as fact. Remember when Starmer criticised the NHS in the middle of coronavirus with Boris at death's door in the hospital Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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