Genie Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 Question: why do we have so many more infections now than at the same time last year, especially as we’ve got 3 quarters of the adult population vaccinated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jones1328 Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Genie said: Question: why do we have so many more infections now than at the same time last year, especially as we’ve got 3 quarters of the adult population vaccinated? More social mixing and less social distancing. Less use of facial masks indoors More travelling within UK and abroad. The vaccines are a massive help in the fights against COVID-19 but it's not a 100% effective treatment unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted August 26, 2021 Moderator Share Posted August 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Genie said: Question: why do we have so many more infections now than at the same time last year, especially as we’ve got 3 quarters of the adult population vaccinated? A whole bunch of reasons, including: The virus hasn't gone away and there are still an awful lot of people not vaccinated - 24 million or so for it to make ill, the 42 (or 47 part) vaccinated people can still get it - it doesn't prevent infection Then there's far more testing being conducted, so maybe you'd expect the number of positives detected to also be higher. There are essentially no restrictions or rules in place now, around Covid. Pubs, Cinemas, Football, Concerts....etc. all just fully "normal" for the virus to have at it and spread. We saw with the Euros that the numbers shot up while that was on, and for a bit after. The same thing will happen again with the regular football back on, plus schools re-opening. It's quite likely to get fairly grim again, nice as it is to have some freedom at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a-k Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 To continue from the above two posts, at this point it's not so much about 100% prevention in infections, it's about reducing the severity of the infections and the number of hospitalizations. And, I would say testing positive is not the most crucial thing (besides knowing who may have been exposed)...the virus doesn't know who is vaccinated or not and thus doesn't know whose body to not enter into. So, cases will of course go up as life "gets back to normal", but the burden on the health care system is coming from one side...see the example from 13 states in USA. Basically, the vaccines 1) are pretty good at turning a serious disease into something more like a cold or flu, and 2) reduce the overcapacity in hospitals so that covid and non-covid patients can be treated. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted August 26, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted August 26, 2021 There's also evidence that the vaccines have not insignificant drop off in efficacy over time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted August 26, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted August 26, 2021 2 hours ago, Genie said: Question: why do we have so many more infections now than at the same time last year, especially as we’ve got 3 quarters of the adult population vaccinated? I don't think people realise just how much more transmissible this Beta variant is than the original version. If this had been out last year before vaccines, we would have looked more like India did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 Thanks for the replies. All good reasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted August 26, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted August 26, 2021 (edited) Working with loads of people who have the symptoms of covid but are all testing negative, lateral flow test . Could be a bad strain of flu but the strange thing is I haven't caught it yet and I'm the only one who's had covid in the past. Edited August 26, 2021 by tinker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 If Cornwall was a country, it would be on the red list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 Wasn’t so long ago Oxford was 2,000/100,000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 Denmark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 Anyway, I’m going to Denmark in October. (True story, actually. Four days in Copenhagen. First trip abroad since 2019.) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PussEKatt Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 As the Delta varient is the newest strain,is the original vacinations any good against it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 15 minutes ago, PussEKatt said: As the Delta varient is the newest strain,is the original vacinations any good against it ? Pretty sure the vaccines are highly effective against all the known variants so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PussEKatt Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 15 hours ago, sharkyvilla said: Pretty sure the vaccines are highly effective against all the known variants so far. Well,thats good to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted August 28, 2021 Administrator Share Posted August 28, 2021 3 hours ago, PussEKatt said: As the Delta varient is the newest strain,is the original vacinations any good against it ? Delta isn't even close to the being the latest strain. All current vaccines should be effective against all variants, but the rate of efficacy might vary. The virus would need to mutate into a new virus for the vaccines to be completely ineffective. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted August 28, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted August 28, 2021 BBC Quote Covid: Delta variant patients twice as likely to need hospital care People are twice as likely to need hospital care if they are sick with the Delta Covid variant, rather than the Alpha variant that was once prevalent in the UK, data from England suggests.... Delta accounts for almost all UK cases currently. A further 32,406 new coronavirus cases were recorded in the UK on Saturday, alongside another 133 deaths within 28 days of a positive test... The study, led by Public Health England (PHE) and the Medical Research Council, looked at 43,338 Covid cases that occurred between March and May - when both Alpha, also known as Kent, variant, and Delta were circulating in the UK. The bulk of these infections were in people who had not yet been vaccinated. Most did not need hospital care, but a small proportion - 196 (2.3%) of the people infected with Delta and 764 (2.2%) of those with Alpha - did. Risk of hospital admission was twice as high for individuals diagnosed with the Delta variant, compared to those with Alpha, after adjusting for differences such as age, sex and ethnicity. Experts say being vaccinated should bring down this risk. Both doses are needed for maximum protection. A recent analysis by PHE suggests that effectiveness against hospitalisation after two doses is: 96% for the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine 92% for the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine Other research suggests that while protection against symptomatic infections may wane somewhat over time, both vaccines still offer good protection against hospitalisations and deaths caused by Delta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 Eric Clapton continuing to be a moron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 Proof that a Cambridge degree doesn’t make you intelligent. Quote A healthy man who died of Covid after refusing to get the vaccine made a “terrible mistake”, his partner has said. Leslie Lawrenson, 58, died at his home in Bournemouth on 2 July, after downplaying his symptoms and declining to go to the hospital. His long-term partner Amanda Mitchell, 56, who was severely ill with the virus at the time, said he believed the vaccines were too “experimental” and put his family at risk. Speaking on BBC Radio 5 Live, she explained that Cambridge University-educated Lawrenson decided against the jab after reading material on social media. “It was a daily thing that he said to us: ‘You don’t need to have it, you’ll be fine, just be careful’. “He said to me: ‘It’s a gene thing, an experimental thing. You’re putting something in your body that hasn’t been thoroughly tested.’” Independent scientific data inferior to social media. Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted August 29, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted August 29, 2021 3 minutes ago, Genie said: Proof that a Cambridge degree doesn’t make you intelligent. Independent scientific data inferior to social media. Link decided against the jab after reading material on social media. How often are we going to hear this. It's just so stupid and so sad. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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