Dante_Lockhart Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Hearing more and more about double jabbed people who are becoming seriously ill with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Stevo985 Posted August 31, 2021 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted August 31, 2021 It will never cease to amaze me that people won't trust a vaccine because it's "too experimental" despite the overwhelming evidence that it works, but are ok with contracting a disease that is nearly as young as the vaccine and has proven to kill millions of people 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 4 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: It will never cease to amaze me that people won't trust a vaccine because it's "too experimental" despite the overwhelming evidence that it works, but are ok with contracting a disease that is nearly as young as the vaccine and has proven to kill millions of people Exactly, I’m hearing more and more that hundreds of thousands of lives are saved, thousands and thousands of people being spared hospital treatment because of the freely available medicine. Nah, someone died in New Zealand. It’s risky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted August 31, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted August 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, Genie said: Exactly, I’m hearing more and more that hundreds of thousands of lives are saved, thousands and thousands of people being spared hospital treatment because of the freely available medicine. Nah, someone died in New Zealand. It’s risky. I think it comes back to the average person's inability to deal with scale. They can't comprehend that one or two people dying out of the millions and millions of people who have had a vaccine is basically zero. It's so negligible it literally doesn't matter. You've got about as much chance of dying from the vaccine as you have of dying from Elvis riding on top of a UFO driven by the loch ness monster crashing into your face. They can't do the comparison of something so small to something like Covid which has a much higher chance of being serious. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante_Lockhart Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 28 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: It will never cease to amaze me that people won't trust a vaccine because it's "too experimental" despite the overwhelming evidence that it works, but are ok with contracting a disease that is nearly as young as the vaccine and has proven to kill millions of people It works in what regard? Because it doesn't stop you contracting it, spreading it, or becoming ill with it. Sure it might lower the percentage, but to me that's not enough to warrant getting it - especially as there is no way of knowing if there will be any long terms effects from having the vaccine yet. If, after 5 years, all of the data comes out that its safe, side effects are clear and it is proven to give 100% immunisation to it - then by all means I'll have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, Dante_Lockhart said: It works in what regard? Because it doesn't stop you contracting it, spreading it, or becoming ill with it. Sure it might lower the percentage, but to me that's not enough to warrant getting it - especially as there is no way of knowing if there will be any long terms effects from having the vaccine yet. If, after 5 years, all of the data comes out that its safe, side effects are clear and it is proven to give 100% immunisation to it - then by all means I'll have it. But there is already data showing there is long term of effects of contracting Covid, including death. Lots of data to show far less people die and get seriously ill if they’ve had the vaccine. You’re prioritising eliminating the chance of getting something unknown of which there is no real risk of, over avoiding getting a very real illness that can put you or family members in hospital or a coffin. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Dante_Lockhart said: it is proven to give 100% immunisation to it To the best of my knowledge, no vaccine is 100% effective. No medicine is 100% effective. You do you, you mad bastard. Edited August 31, 2021 by Davkaus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted August 31, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted August 31, 2021 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Dante_Lockhart said: It works in what regard? Because it doesn't stop you contracting it, spreading it, or becoming ill with it. Sure it might lower the percentage, but to me that's not enough to warrant getting it - especially as there is no way of knowing if there will be any long terms effects from having the vaccine yet. If, after 5 years, all of the data comes out that its safe, side effects are clear and it is proven to give 100% immunisation to it - then by all means I'll have it. No vaccine is 100% effective so you'll be waiting a long time. It works in exactly the way you've said. It drastically reduces your odds of contracting it, spreading it and getting severely ill with it. No it doesn't reduce it to zero. But wearing a seatbelt doesn't 100% protect you from dying in a car crash. A helmet doesn't 100% protect you from dying if you crash your motorbike. I don't really care if people don't want to get the vaccine. my point was about the backwards logic of saying it's too experimental and unknown as if the KNOWN effects of Covid, including death, is a better option. Edited August 31, 2021 by Stevo985 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bobzy Posted August 31, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 31, 2021 25 minutes ago, Dante_Lockhart said: It works in what regard? Because it doesn't stop you contracting it, spreading it, or becoming ill with it. Sure it might lower the percentage, but to me that's not enough to warrant getting it - especially as there is no way of knowing if there will be any long terms effects from having the vaccine yet. If, after 5 years, all of the data comes out that its safe, side effects are clear and it is proven to give 100% immunisation to it - then by all means I'll have it. I'm genuinely staggered that people think like this. Your call, but you're basically not taking a vaccine because you "don't know" about the possible effects... yet are fine risking catching a known potentially fatal disease that can also have devastating long term effects. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ingram85 Posted August 31, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 31, 2021 34 minutes ago, Dante_Lockhart said: It works in what regard? Because it doesn't stop you contracting it, spreading it, or becoming ill with it. Sure it might lower the percentage, but to me that's not enough to warrant getting it - especially as there is no way of knowing if there will be any long terms effects from having the vaccine yet. If, after 5 years, all of the data comes out that its safe, side effects are clear and it is proven to give 100% immunisation to it - then by all means I'll have it. The number of people/sceptics dying with their last words being “I wish I’d had the vaccine” is surely making it a bit obvious to people who haven’t had the vaccine isn’t it? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 On 29/08/2021 at 14:05, chrisp65 said: Worth a repost. Lots of stories from all over now “sceptic in hospital or dead wishes he/she got the vaccine”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingram85 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 hour ago, Dante_Lockhart said: Hearing more and more about double jabbed people who are becoming seriously ill with it. Who may now be dead without it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante_Lockhart Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 7 minutes ago, Ingram85 said: The number of people/sceptics dying with their last words being “I wish I’d had the vaccine” is surely making it a bit obvious to people who haven’t had the vaccine isn’t it? Bit dramatic mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingram85 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Just now, Dante_Lockhart said: Bit dramatic mate. Not really. Do you read/watch the news? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 (edited) Out of interest, while you remain unvaccinated, are you taking any precautions to avoid catching covid? Edited August 31, 2021 by Davkaus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, Davkaus said: Out of interest, while you remain unvacinnated, are you taking any precautions to avoid catching covid? Interesting. I suspect those who are not fussed about getting vaccinated are probably taking very little precaution otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ingram85 Posted August 31, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 31, 2021 (edited) Right. I haven’t thought this through at all but I don’t give a **** anymore. This is just stress and anger coming out. As a healthcare worker who has worked through this crap I’m sorry but my frustration with people who don’t get the vaccination is just growing at the moment. They may cause a new mutation. My sympathy for those who choose not to get vaccinated yet end up dying from covid is at minimal levels. Very minimal sympathy if any at all. Anyone who abused, harassed and threatened healthcare staff on their way home from work should just be shot in the **** head. Society doesn’t need morons like that. They are a unhelpful noose around our collective necks, they contribute nothing to us. But then now we have a big section of society made up of ill informed dumb people who are holding us back even further and halting our progression out of this shite and I’m sorry if this offends anyone but I think they’re stupid and selfish. I’m fed up of pussy footing around those who are umming and ahhhing about getting it. “You’ll just push them even further into their hole and less likely to change their mind, we need to educate them and hopefully get through to them”, well if it’s at that level of trying to convince people after everything we have been through then bollocks to them. Unless you have genuine medically backed up reasons to not get it then just get the **** thing, be a part of the way out of this nightmare and stop being a smooth brained **** problem. Gaaaahhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!! /Done. Edited August 31, 2021 by Ingram85 15 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante_Lockhart Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 15 minutes ago, Davkaus said: Out of interest, while you remain unvaccinated, are you taking any precautions to avoid catching covid? Sure. Still social distancing. I'll wear a mask where/if applicable. If I get symptoms I'll isolate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante_Lockhart Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 11 minutes ago, Ingram85 said: Anyone who abused, harassed and threatened healthcare staff on their way home from work should just be shot in the **** head. Society doesn’t need morons like that. They are a unhelpful noose around our collective necks, they contribute nothing to us. I'll agree with you on that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 hour ago, Dante_Lockhart said: It works in what regard? Because it doesn't stop you contracting it, spreading it, or becoming ill with it. Sure it might lower the percentage, but to me that's not enough to warrant getting it - especially as there is no way of knowing if there will be any long terms effects from having the vaccine yet. If, after 5 years, all of the data comes out that its safe, side effects are clear and it is proven to give 100% immunisation to it - then by all means I'll have it. Its your choice. I was sceptical too but the risks of getting serioulsy ill and dying of Covid far outweigh the risks from the side effects of the vaccine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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