Dante_Lockhart Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 49 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: @Dante_Lockhart If you don't mind me asking, do you take any drugs, smoke or vape? Nope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante_Lockhart Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, sidcow said: Basically at this point not getting the vaccine is like boarding a very ancient, rickety looking aircraft which hasn't been serviced in years, but refusing a parachute offered to you upon boarding because your worried that when the airplane starts plummeting at the ground your chute might not open and the weight of it might hurt your back if the plane doesn't crash. If anything it’s like not getting in the plane until you’ve seen proof of a full service history and that the safety features have been inspected prior to take off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted August 31, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted August 31, 2021 What I don't understand is that they said at the very beginning of the vaccines is that they said new versions of the vaccine for new variants could be made "within weeks" As this Delta variant IS materially different to the original strain I'm suprised they haven't developed a new vaccination based on it... Even the booster jabs due in the next few weeks don't seem to be anything new. With that said, although people do seem to be getting ill, and quite ill from Delta, they are still not generally dying. The people who are dying are overwhelmingly the unvaccinated, so I guess the current Vaccines ARE still doing their job, maybe not well enough to stop people getting ill, but enough to keep them alive. I do wonder if the third jab, especially if it's mix and match will drastically improve protection. I don't know how the immune system works but as a layman you would THINK that if it's persistently seeing the same infection it would remember and react to it better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted August 31, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted August 31, 2021 5 minutes ago, Dante_Lockhart said: If anything it’s like not getting in the plane until you’ve seen proof of a full service history and that the safety features have been inspected prior to take off. Unfortunately The Covid 747 is never going to look like that. It's always going to be a rickety old bird that you're going to have no choice but to fly on. It's everywhere and it's not going away now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 15 minutes ago, Dante_Lockhart said: If anything it’s like not getting in the plane until you’ve seen proof of a full service history and that the safety features have been inspected prior to take off. Again is there an example of a vaccine being harmful in the long run that has formed your worries about this one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted August 31, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted August 31, 2021 59 minutes ago, sidcow said: It's why I never leave the house without a motorcycle helmet. Yeah but the helmet won't 100% guarantee that your skull doesn't cave in so there's no point in wearing it 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted August 31, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted August 31, 2021 42 minutes ago, Dante_Lockhart said: If anything it’s like not getting in the plane until you’ve seen proof of a full service history and that the safety features have been inspected prior to take off. Well if you want to continue this analogy, millions and millions of people have flown on that plane over and over again and everyone has been perfectly fine 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 3 hours ago, sharkyvilla said: Has there ever been a vaccine that has resulted in long term effects? I know there was the debunked link to autism for the MMR jab from what I remember but can't recall anything real. I'm getting to the point where I think the jab and eventually boosters should be mandatory but I guess you can't really do that. Probably the best thing to do is make it as difficult to function in society without having had one. Yep, you can’t have the state injecting the population against their will. That would be my tipping point on being a good compliant citizen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 On 31/08/2021 at 16:55, Rugeley Villa said: Does anyone think kids should be vaccinated ? I’m not sure what I think regarding that. I think so, if you ask the question: "show me count of smallpox or measles sufferers within the child population in the world now and 100 years ago" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 Both my children had a mild headache for a day which was cured with a spoon of calpol, they were testing positive for Covid for a week. There must be so many primary school children carrying the virus around without knowing. If it’s proven low risk then I think they are a big step towards reducing transmission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straggler Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 My youngest went back to school today. It feels wrong. My parenting instincts are torn between knowing that I'm sending my kids into an unsafe environment pretty much designed to give them covid and knowing that if I keep them out they will fall behind in their education and how hard it is to catch back up, never mind missing out social aspects. I wouldn't feel so bad if they had done something to mitigate against the spread in schools (masks, proper ventilation, bubbles etc) but all they have done is remove all the safety measures. Covid has so many long term possible consequences for health that are already proven to impact children I really don't understand why as a nation we are doing absolutely nothing to prevent the spread in anyone under 16. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 36 minutes ago, Straggler said: My youngest went back to school today. It feels wrong. My parenting instincts are torn between knowing that I'm sending my kids into an unsafe environment pretty much designed to give them covid and knowing that if I keep them out they will fall behind in their education and how hard it is to catch back up, never mind missing out social aspects. I wouldn't feel so bad if they had done something to mitigate against the spread in schools (masks, proper ventilation, bubbles etc) but all they have done is remove all the safety measures. Covid has so many long term possible consequences for health that are already proven to impact children I really don't understand why as a nation we are doing absolutely nothing to prevent the spread in anyone under 16. I'm the opposite. My kids just starting year 2 and he's missed 1/3 of his school education already. He's had to self isolate because some kid on the opposite side of the year got it, on a couple of occasions. He had the initial lockdown off and the second lockdown. Most adults are now vaccine'd up and the kids who are getting it are not really showing symptoms at all - lots of them who have got it, didn't even realise they had it. It's got to return to normal at some point - we can't force the idiots who don't want the vaccine to have it, so they live with that decision - everyone else is playing ball and we've got to get back to normality. I'm all for bringing in restrictive measures if hospitals are getting overloaded, or new evidence surfaces which shows COVID is affecting new things. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straggler Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 40 minutes ago, lapal_fan said: I'm the opposite. My kids just starting year 2 and he's missed 1/3 of his school education already. He's had to self isolate because some kid on the opposite side of the year got it, on a couple of occasions. He had the initial lockdown off and the second lockdown. Most adults are now vaccine'd up and the kids who are getting it are not really showing symptoms at all - lots of them who have got it, didn't even realise they had it. It's got to return to normal at some point - we can't force the idiots who don't want the vaccine to have it, so they live with that decision - everyone else is playing ball and we've got to get back to normality. I'm all for bringing in restrictive measures if hospitals are getting overloaded, or new evidence surfaces which shows COVID is affecting new things. I do want my kids back at school, but I don't want the assumption to be that it's ok for them to catch covid. I'm not even asking for much, just the same mitigation that most other developed nations are doing like making sure that classrooms are well ventilated or letting teens get the vaccine. I just don't accept that doing nothing to prevent spread in schools is ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 Bad idea to be vaccinating teenagers IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted September 2, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted September 2, 2021 1 minute ago, HanoiVillan said: Bad idea to be vaccinating teenagers IMHO. Why? I'm not disagreeing, I'm genuinely interested. We vaccinate teenagers for other stuff, why is this different? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 We have vaccines as babies, then others at primary school age, and others at high school. If the experts say it’s safe then who am I to say otherwise. Maybe I was being naive but I thought that with a large percentage of adults vaccinated it would effectively struggle to move from person to person but it doesn’t seem to be the case. Maybe schools are the key to this. Scotland’s cases have rocketed since their children went back to school a few weeks ago. Emphasis has been on older people who will be in trouble if they caught it, where it might be that focus now should be on the people that carry it, and spread it without realising. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HanoiVillan Posted September 2, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 2, 2021 11 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Why? I'm not disagreeing, I'm genuinely interested. We vaccinate teenagers for other stuff, why is this different? Firstly, as you go down the age groups, the chances of becoming actually sick in any way from covid keeps decreasing, to the point that for young kids it is less harmful than other common viral infections that we do nothing at all about. As the risks decrease, so the benefit decreases too, and therefore you have to weigh the occasional harms of things like blood clots more seriously. Secondly, I really do think there are broader questions of both morality and effectiveness involved in doing further boosters, or vaccinations for kids, in a world in which the vast majority of at-risk people have not received first doses. In a world where supply and distribution constraints do exist, what is the marginal value of a covid vaccine for a 13 year old Brit over an 80 year old Nigerian? And despite our desperate attempts to pretend otherwise over the last year and a half, we cannot prevent the outside world from reaching us; the reductions in transmission that the vaccines provide may actually be more beneficial to us in countries with rampant spread than they would be here at this point (by, for example, preventing an even more virulent strain emerging). 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted September 2, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted September 2, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Straggler said: My youngest went back to school today. It feels wrong. My parenting instincts are torn between knowing that I'm sending my kids into an unsafe environment pretty much designed to give them covid and knowing that if I keep them out they will fall behind in their education and how hard it is to catch back up, never mind missing out social aspects. I wouldn't feel so bad if they had done something to mitigate against the spread in schools (masks, proper ventilation, bubbles etc) but all they have done is remove all the safety measures. Covid has so many long term possible consequences for health that are already proven to impact children I really don't understand why as a nation we are doing absolutely nothing to prevent the spread in anyone under 16. I've seen my kids suffer, particularly my son, from taking their GCSE's and A Levels after 2 years of interrupted schooling. There are literally insignificant numbers of young kids getting seriously ill. I really think there will be more long term damage done to them now due to interrupted education. My kids fortunately go to a really good school, one of the top comprehensives in the country. I can't even begin to imagine how disadvantaged some kids in inner city and poorer quality schools will be by now. I think it's time for them to get their lives back again now. I wouldn't be suprised if Covid already burned through schools in June/July anyway. Edited September 2, 2021 by sidcow 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 The wife's got the rona, she's now 2 weeks quarantine, me and the baby have our government ordered tests on monday We fly to the UK on the 18th... Fortunately my mom passed her fit to fly test and could go home yesterday 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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