PaulC Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 2 hours ago, bickster said: That makes no sense, if they kill their voter base, they will be the opposition Not enough to make a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choffer Posted August 13, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted August 13, 2021 Had the misfortune of going to Costco at Star City tonight. Think I saw three people wearing masks. I know it’s not obligatory now but I mostly split my time between London and Brighton and the overwhelming majority of people there are still masking up so it was a real surprise to see so few people in Birmingham doing so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingram85 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 1 hour ago, choffer said: Had the misfortune of going to Costco at Star City tonight. Think I saw three people wearing masks. I know it’s not obligatory now but I mostly split my time between London and Brighton and the overwhelming majority of people there are still masking up so it was a real surprise to see so few people in Birmingham doing so. Really? I’d be more surprised if more people wore masks than not. I’ve given up on most people now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 (edited) I'm no anti-vaxxer (I have the full works of everything there is to take) but here is an interesting take on the ridicule of people who decide not to get vaccinated. There are numerous studies that show that imperfect vaccinations (like our Covid19 ones) where the vaccinated person can still be infected and pass on the virus may lead to a greater spread of more dangerous strains: Quote Could some vaccines drive the evolution of more virulent pathogens? Conventional wisdom is that natural selection will remove highly lethal pathogens if host death greatly reduces transmission. Vaccines that keep hosts alive but still allow transmission could thus allow very virulent strains to circulate in a population. ... Our data show that anti-disease vaccines that do not prevent transmission can create conditions that promote the emergence of pathogen strains that cause more severe disease in unvaccinated hosts. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4516275/ Quote Nevertheless, partially effective (imperfect) vaccines may be used to protect both individuals and whole populations1,2,3. We studied the potential impact of different types of imperfect vaccines on the evolution of pathogen virulence (induced host mortality) and the consequences for public health. Here we show that vaccines designed to reduce pathogen growth rate and/or toxicity diminish selection against virulent pathogens. The subsequent evolution leads to higher levels of intrinsic virulence and hence to more severe disease in unvaccinated individuals. This evolution can erode any population-wide benefits such that overall mortality rates are unaffected, or even increase, with the level of vaccination coverage. https://www.nature.com/articles/414751a Edited August 13, 2021 by Mic09 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted August 13, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted August 13, 2021 20 hours ago, ender4 said: Where do you live? I thought we weren't mixing vaccines between doses? Have a pick 'n' mix. Variety is the spice of life. I might get myself a cheeky dose of AZ in the Winter and a jab of Pfizer in Spring. Gotta catch 'em all. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 (edited) My Pfizer is still keeping me away from covid in a house full of infected people. Pretty incredible really. Wife is still a bit poorly, heavy cold would be the best way to describe it. Edited August 13, 2021 by Genie 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 Went to a few shops today, wore my mask, but mask wearing was down to about 50% on average. Thats fine, it doesn't bother me. Last visit I made, to Costa, I didn't put my mask on. Mainly as i'd forgot as opposed to being a conscious decision! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 (edited) Here, it’s almost back to doing a double take when you see someone wearing a mask, as if you’d have to be some kind of tinfoil hatted conspiracy theorist to want to wear one. Which is crazy, of course, but there really isn’t any particular reason for most people to wear a mask here now. And it’s nice to actually see people’s faces again. Edited August 13, 2021 by El Zen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 If people choose not to wear a mask, I don't really care, as long as they keep the **** out of my way, which of course, they don't. It's people brushing past me and refusing to keep any kind of distance when not wearing a mask which pisses me off. Us people that like their personal space are never going to have had it as good as we had it in the last year 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted August 13, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted August 13, 2021 The other day I saw a load of kids (aged 12-15 roughly) queuing up to buy ice creams from a shop with had a serving hatch. Longish queue, maybe 20 people or so. Basically standing in line outside while an internal shop had no one inside. Literally no one queuing inside. I mentioned it to someone I was there with and they said they had pointed out the empty shop to them, but they were reluctant to go inside without their masks. While I like their cautious approach, I did feel a bit for them that they didn’t feel safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 I think at the peak of COVID during the winter 6 months ago, at the most only about a third of people wore masks here in Stockholm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted August 14, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted August 14, 2021 Uh oh. The lads girlfriend has tested positive today. He was with her yesterday. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Genie Posted August 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 16, 2021 New rule changes today, if you’re double jabbed +14 days you don’t need to isolate if a close contact tests positive. An update from Casa Genie. The children who’s only symptoms were a headache right at the start continue to be perfectly well. My lad is now testing negative. Daughter yesterday tested positive still about 5 days. Neither child has had any of the 3 classic symptoms the NHS go on about so it’s obvious why it gets missed in them. A spoon of Calpol and they’re fine to go off infecting all they meet. The wife is still edging towards wellness. It started with the high temperatures (39.2-39.4C) which were quite concerning at the time. It was kind of at the point where if it got any higher I’d have had to call 111 which might have led to an ambulance or doctor treatment. Luckily that cleared after about 24 hours. Then it was heavy cold territory, bunged up, aching, very tired and short of breath for a few days. Now that’s gone and it’s left a cough for the last 2-3 days. Her smell and taste is coming back now too. I’m hoping this is the final stage. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 Heil article, but this is just disgusting. Premium travel tax on everyone, pushed directly to Tory chums pockets and for nothing. Quote Holidaymakers are paying millions for Covid tests that are not being checked for potentially dangerous new variants. They spent more than £26million on PCR swabs after arriving in England during July, research suggests today. But only 293 of the 4,998 samples that came back positive were sequenced – meaning they were analysed for possible mutations of the virus – even though ministers insist it is crucial for tracking the pandemic. The analysis of official figures carried out by the Liberal Democrats means each sequenced test cost passengers the equivalent of £90,000. It comes amid growing anger at the huge cost of Covid tests for families taking foreign breaks or visiting relatives overseas this summer. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9896543/Fresh-travel-testing-farce-6-positive-swabs-sent-analysis-track-new-Covid-variants.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailUK 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 Re: mask wearing. I tend to follow the request of the establishment I'm visiting. In homebase they still have signs up asking for masks and the staff wear them, so I do too. In other places where it's not requested, I don't. I know that indoors is the riskiest place but my feeling is that we have up 18 months of our lives to try to get back to some degree of freedom. If I can't take my mask off now, I'll never be able to. But if it's a shop requesting it, I'm fine with that. The hand sanitiser thing winds me up though - it's the classic emperor's new clothes. People are still doing it because news hasn't yet reached them it's pointless. Shops still have it outside and ask you use it. It's ridiculous, we need to call this out and stop with the nonsense. Also, masks outdoors. This is also pointless. Hand sanitising for COVID protection and outdoor masks need to stop, while people need to realise that the risks indoors without ventilation are higher than they've been led to believe (which I know makes my non mask wearing inside seem like I know I'm taking a risk, I am, but right now when almost all vulnerable won't die because they're vaccinated, there would have been more sense wearing a mask before COVID when I could have passed flu to someone elderly, unvaccinated and killed them) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post a m ole Posted August 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 16, 2021 6 hours ago, darrenm said: Re: mask wearing. I tend to follow the request of the establishment I'm visiting. In homebase they still have signs up asking for masks and the staff wear them, so I do too. In other places where it's not requested, I don't. I know that indoors is the riskiest place but my feeling is that we have up 18 months of our lives to try to get back to some degree of freedom. If I can't take my mask off now, I'll never be able to. But if it's a shop requesting it, I'm fine with that. The hand sanitiser thing winds me up though - it's the classic emperor's new clothes. People are still doing it because news hasn't yet reached them it's pointless. Shops still have it outside and ask you use it. It's ridiculous, we need to call this out and stop with the nonsense. Also, masks outdoors. This is also pointless. Hand sanitising for COVID protection and outdoor masks need to stop, while people need to realise that the risks indoors without ventilation are higher than they've been led to believe (which I know makes my non mask wearing inside seem like I know I'm taking a risk, I am, but right now when almost all vulnerable won't die because they're vaccinated, there would have been more sense wearing a mask before COVID when I could have passed flu to someone elderly, unvaccinated and killed them) I’m fine with hand sanitizer because most people are **** disgusting. Having said that, they’re the least likely to use it. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 Yeah, considering the amount of blokes I used to see walking out of the toilets without washing their hands, 18 months of encouraging hand hygiene isn't the worst thing in the world, even if we now know it's not a big vector for covid infection. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 NZ going into a national lockdown for 1 new case. Not sure if that is very efficient or complete and utter madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Xela said: NZ going into a national lockdown for 1 new case. Not sure if that is very efficient or complete and utter madness. They don’t know where the case came from or how long the virus has been in the country. It was not a returning traveler from abroad who tested positive but a local resident so there must be more cases they don’t know about yet. My hunch is that if this is delta and someone’s been spreading it unbeknownst for a few days the lockdown won’t be enough to stop it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted August 17, 2021 Moderator Share Posted August 17, 2021 How well vaccinated in NZ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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