magnkarl Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 1 minute ago, leighavfc said: It's been warm in both recently though so I have read? Obviously depends where the spike areas are. I'm not sure I agree tbough We're not talking Spain or Iran in winter warm. We're talking sub-tropic temps warm like India and Thailand. Iran and Spain are moderately warm atm but nowhere near where the virus starts suffering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: China, creator of the pandemic, has miraculously "recovered", has almost no more cases of coronavirus. The world is now beginning to feel the effects and panic about the disease. Who recovered first ?? China itself! It seems to be that this virus was a move by the Chinese government in response to the loss of the trade war with the United States. The goal: to throw the world into recession !!! Is the scenario not clear? They are already growing! China bought almost everything it devalued on the stock exchanges around the world ... with that the Chinese became owners of the global companies that are in China and without the money leaving China. what a load of bollocks big bad red men over there somewhere coming for your capitalism and your freedom the people who believe this sort of stuff are also the sort of people in that line at the gun shop Edited March 16, 2020 by villa4europe 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, leighavfc said: It's been warm in both recently though so I have read? Obviously depends where the spike areas are. I'm not sure I agree tbough This is today, big part of the country 0-10 degrees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, villa4europe said: what a load of bollocks big bad red men over there somewhere coming for your capitalism and your freedom the people who believe this sort of stuff are also the sort of people in that line at the gun shop I think the theory bit is questionable for sure but the part above it is fact regarding the share losses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leighavfc Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Genie said: This is today, big part of the country 0-10 degrees Fair enough, I read there were highs of between 18 and 23 last week. As @magnkarl said just its probably got to be even warmer than that That probably tells us though that even in the summer it's barely likely to be killed off over here? Edited March 16, 2020 by leighavfc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Just now, leighavfc said: Fair enough, I read there were highs of between 18 and 23 last week. As @magnkarl said just its probably got to be even warmer than that Iran is huge. I used to work with an Iranian guy who surprised me telling me how much snow they get in his home town. Like many, I always pictured it as a red hot desert. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, Genie said: Iran is huge. I used to work with an Iranian guy who surprised me telling me how much snow they get in his home town. Like many, I always pictured it as a red hot desert. That's the summer - DURRRRRR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam-AVFC Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 18 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: It seems to be that this virus was a move by the Chinese government in response to the loss of the trade war with the United States. Eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Genie said: Iran is huge. I used to work with an Iranian guy who surprised me telling me how much snow they get in his home town. Like many, I always pictured it as a red hot desert. You can go skiing a few hours away from Tehran, my buddy and his family has done it a few times. Edited March 16, 2020 by sne 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, magnkarl said: 'The flu' is generally Australian flue (H3NX) or Influenza A, it's called aussie flue because they have their season during their winter which transmits to our part of the world when we move toward our winter. You linked, in response to @LondonLax's request for sources about your claims about 'Australian Flue' [sic], merely to a generic NHS page that talks about 'flu. On that page, it lists what 'flu symptoms can include, how to treat yourself, what a pharmacist can do, getting advice from 111, antibiotics and how to avoid spreading it. This is not a source for the claims you were making to @LondonLax. Just randomly linking other pages on the internet without explaining how and why they are sources for the claims you have made is not providing sources or backing up the arguments you are seeking to put forward and it is not, in any way, shape or form, helpful. It just sends people on wild goose chases when they are trying to engage with what you post. 15 minutes ago, magnkarl said: Influenza A is generally milder than B. B(H3NX) gives higher fevers and heavier symptoms and was the UK's worst pandemic in recent years when we saw the big spike in deaths in 2017-18. When you are being asked to clarify your claims about Covid-19 v Influenza, to then talk about comparisons between various types of 'flu is not an answer. Edited March 16, 2020 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mozzavfc Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Any investments in mind? I’m looking at ftse100 company’s that will no doubt recover. Just don’t want to move too early. LVMH has announced today that they will switch their production from perfume to anti-bac, so should see a similar sales increase to Dettol and Lysol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Sufficient number of oldies to die while govt denies them care and treatment because govt is too busy. They never talked about this isolation/delay measures when they allowed thousands of passengers from wuhan flights DESPITE knowing that virus outbreak has started in China. They wanted the virus to spread in UK, so allowed the passengers from Wuhan into UK with NHS leaflets. Not even checking for corona in those passengers. So now the virus has infected hundreds of thousands in UK, they know over 70s are at risk and now they want to separate over 70s and put them in euthanasia camps aka quarantine zones. They could have reduced the spread of virus if they acted quick and tested and isolated wuhan passengers. Another unsuspecting fact about this virus is sparing kids only impaacts oldies very badly: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/03/10/coronavirus-is-mysteriously-sparing-kids-killing-elderly-understanding-why-may-help-defeat-virus/ Such a hard working government in best interests of people. I suggest don't even bother to invest in pensions, they want you to work 30-40 years, pay taxes, get divorce, lose everything and in your 70s silently die from unsuspecting virus. For them, just economy and you're another number. Surely democrazy has taken an ugly turn in 21st century. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 xpected corona cases exceed 1 million: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/15/hospitals-could-run-short-oxygen-within-hours-pandemic-escalates/ Specialists predict 'overwhelmed' service will run out of oxygen, medication and beds as expected coronavirus cases exceed a million Throwing £134 billion at a service every year for the gold plated pensions of pen pushers and so called managers while saying they have no resources to save people. NHS will be in better shape with more doctors/surgeons/nurses than too many 'managers.' 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted March 16, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted March 16, 2020 This thread has taken an ugly turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Six Covid-19 cases at Lanarkshire care home Residents of Highgate Care Home near Uddingston are being closely monitored and strict infection control measures have been put in place. The care home caters for about 70 elderly patients, some of whom have conditions such as Alzheimer's or Parkinson's Disease. It was understood none of the infected residents has so far required hospital treatment. Dr John Logan, NHS Lanarkshire consultant in public health medicine, said: "We appreciate this is a very worrying time for many people. BBC It's not just worrying time for many but alarming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tonyh29 Posted March 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 16, 2020 15 minutes ago, sne said: You can go skiing a few hours away from Tehran, my buddy and his family has done it a few times. OT , I went to Tehran one Aug and it was like the pic on the left despite it being over 40 degrees so i believe the snow is there all year round , there is a cable car to the top, so we'd planned with our guide to go up it .. Alas the cable car had broken down and to drive up would have taken too long so my chance to be able to tell people i threw a snowball in Tehran was gone The Milad Tower in your pic is also pretty cool , big food courts at the bottom and a shopping mall everyone gathers there ine the evening to hang out .. not just the skiing but Iran is nothing like you'd imagine it to be , other than the issues it gives you getting into America (currently gets you banned) and Israel ( 4 hour grilling by Israeli police at the airport !!) ,i can't recommend the place enough for a visit anyhows .. back to the virus 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 (edited) Based on what the epidemiologist John Edmunds was saying on Channel 4 news, herd immunity is the only other possibility if you can't eradicate every single case. It's not a policy as such, just an inevitability. The question is how to manage the peak to minimise the number of infectious people. This is a voice of a scientist responsible for the government strategy. For some reason he doesn't mention a strategy to suppress it until a vaccine/med is available. My opinion is that he has VI to support his strategy. The herd immunity can be also obtained with vaccination so technically he is correct that either eradication or herd immunity. WHO, the rest of the world, many other epidemiologist are against the strategy to achieve the herd immunity through a outbreak. They advocate to fight it to buy more time. Do you trust a few UK scientist or most of the experts who are against? Edited March 16, 2020 by Kingman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kingman Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 French and German Strategy = Manage the growth so that the health system doesn't collapse!.. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/11/world/europe/coronavirus-merkel-germany.html Quote Two in three Germans may become infected, Ms. Merkel said at a news conference that reverberated far beyond her country. There is no immunity now against the virus and no vaccine yet. It spreads exponentially, and the world now faces a pandemic. The most important thing, the chancellor said, is to slow down the spread of the coronavirus to win time for people to develop immunity, and to prevent the health care system from becoming overwhelmed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 One of the flaws with this herd immunity strategy is that no one seems to know if once you have had it you are then immune from catching it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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