KenjiOgiwara Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Delphinho123 said: I think McGinn has been really good in the last 4/5 matches. Not for me. In fact the complete opposite. I'd be inclined to get a bigger and better DM and push Luiz up to McGinns position and just bench SJM. Edited May 16, 2021 by KenjiOgiwara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, KenjiOgiwara said: Not for me. In fact the complete opposite. I'd be inclined to get a bigger and better DM and push Luiz up to McGinns position and just bench SJM. Definitely agree with you on the DM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 I know people doesn't like to hear it but we badly need height in midfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 15 minutes ago, Delphinho123 said: I think McGinn has been really good in the last 4/5 matches. He really hasnt, he is headless and is passing is getting worse. His Hollywood passes are losing possession every game, he did the same pass about 5 times today and all went out of play McGinn runs around for 10 minutes looking involved but then he gasses and after that he is doing nothing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, villalad21 said: I know people doesn't like to hear it but we badly need height in midfield Crystal Palace had at most an average height midfield today Edited May 16, 2021 by Zatman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillanousOne Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Zatman said: Crystal Palace had at most an average height midfield today Palace weren't better than us in any area, other than the fact they wanted in more in the second half and we completely took our foot off the gas. McGinn has showed glimpses of good form, just doesn't last for more than an hour. I didn't think Doug did much wrong today. We do lack a physical midfielder who can win balls in the air and put in successful tackles. Edited May 16, 2021 by VillanousOne 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, VillanousOne said: Palace weren't better than us in any area, other than the fact they wanted in more in the second half and we completely took our foot off the gas. McGinn has showed glimpses of good form, just doesn't last for more than an hour. I didn't think Doug did much wrong today. We do lack a physical midfielder who can win balls in the air and put in successful tackles. Yeah its just strange that somebody saying we need a physical presence in midfield after that game. Was hardly Stoke in the pomp in the middle today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillanousOne Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 23 minutes ago, Zatman said: Yeah its just strange that somebody saying we need a physical presence in midfield after that game. Was hardly Stoke in the pomp in the middle today ha ha, Palace are as a soft as you like, they do have some dirty players but they weren't playing. well Zaha is a whiney little slag who spends half the game trying to get players booked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vreitti Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 8 hours ago, Zatman said: Yeah its just strange that somebody saying we need a physical presence in midfield after that game. Was hardly Stoke in the pomp in the middle today They fouled us 23 times, which is quite a lot in one game. Perhaps most of them were on Watkins though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparrow1988 Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 9 hours ago, Zatman said: Yeah its just strange that somebody saying we need a physical presence in midfield after that game. Was hardly Stoke in the pomp in the middle today Was that the team with the giant that is Glenn Whelan as their holding midfielder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark_1989 Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 Brilliant when he came on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 Looked awesome futher up the pitch Genuinely think this guy could turn into a 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaJay Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 Looked much better further forward, didn't look rushed on the ball when around the box and picked the right pass more often than not. Hopefully a new contract in the summer for him and will push on playing further forward. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 1 minute ago, VillaJay said: Looked much better further forward, didn't look rushed on the ball when around the box and picked the right pass more often than not. Hopefully a new contract in the summer for him and will push on playing further forward. I mean. He is Brazilian. I have no idea why we ask him to defend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 I thought he was excellent. He literally ran the show when he came on and soura couldnt handle him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaJay Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, villalad21 said: I mean. He is Brazilian. I have no idea why we ask him to defend He shouldn't be anywhere near our box with the amount of pens he gives away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 1 hour ago, villalad21 said: Looked awesome futher up the pitch Genuinely think this guy could turn into a 10 I've hammered you for saying this, but you may have a point on today's showing. IMO he's still in that mould of Pirlo, Scholes, etc. who have the ability to look dangerous as 10s or attacking mids, but will gravitate to that deep-lying playmaker position with experience. That's where you get the most value from their passing range. I think as he bulks out a bit and learns the dark arts, he will be a very good DM. But I can see a case for giving him more game time in a more advanced role. He was class today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 I'd have to see him start the game in the more forward position to be able to judge. The game was very stretched when he came on and there was loads of space to play in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 2 hours ago, VillaJay said: Looked much better further forward, didn't look rushed on the ball when around the box and picked the right pass more often than not. Hopefully a new contract in the summer for him and will push on playing further forward. A few of us have been saying this for ages. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 29 minutes ago, PaulC said: I'd have to see him start the game in the more forward position to be able to judge. The game was very stretched when he came on and there was loads of space to play in. Yeah I agree with this. He had acres of space to play in against a very loose and demoralised Spurs side on a big pitch. But he definitely knew what he was doing. If you look at the career development of players like Pirlo, Scholes, Gundogan, Xavi, etc. you'll see the same arguments every time about whether they belong high up the pitch or in a deeper role. He's similar to them in being very complete, good feet, excellent long passing, decent shot, positionally sound, etc. With those kinds of players they'll always link up well wherever you play them. Gundogan is probably the best example in today's game - Klopp used him as a DM at Dortmund, Pep used him there too, but now uses him as false 9, box to box, whatever. Reality is he can probably play several positions well, and it will depend a lot on the individual match situation. I don't think saying "he's not a DM" is right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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