KenjiOgiwara Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 17 minutes ago, Sam-AVFC said: I get the point about being taller making it easier to deal with high balls, but I can't remember any occasions where Luiz has had to and failed. Very few teams play that way any more and our high line means long balls are likely to go straight to our CBs. Whether or not we should be playing with such a high line is another debate altogether. It's not only about high balls. For example, if he was a much bigger player, stronger, more physically imposing. He wouldn't have been struggling against Pogba and giving away that penalty. The reason he gave away that penalty was because he lost controll and tried to regain it, but messed it up. A stronger bigger DM doesn't fall into that trap. As someone that has played DM and gone from 60 - 89 kg I have some experience in the difference body mass makes when dispossessing players. It's a big thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 1 minute ago, KenjiOgiwara said: It's not only about high balls. For example, if he was a much bigger player, stronger, more physically imposing. He wouldn't have been struggling against Pogba and giving away that penalty. The reason he gave away that penalty was because he lost controll and tried to regain it, but messed it up. A stronger bigger DM doesn't fall into that trap. As someone that has played DM and gone from 60 - 89 kg I have some experience in the difference body mass makes when dispossessing players. It's a big thing. so basically, he needs to: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 Just now, MaVilla said: so basically, he needs to: I was mostly on the salmon wagon, but yeah haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Indigo Posted May 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 13, 2021 Best outfield player today for me. Showed he has it in him to excel in this role. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillanousOne Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 10 minutes ago, Indigo said: Best outfield player today for me. Showed he has it in him to excel in this role. It was very odd though, he would frequently win the ball well, then make a blind pass back to the opposition then win it back seconds later. Him and Ross were having a competition on who could give the ball away the most cheaply. Other than that he was actually pretty good, was everywhere. If he could cut out the blind passes... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indigo Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 1 minute ago, VillanousOne said: It was very odd though, he would frequently win the ball well, then make a blind pass back to the opposition then win it back seconds later. Him and Ross were having a competition on who could give the ball away the most cheaply. Other than that he was actually pretty good, was everywhere. If he could cut out the blind passes... Thought the opposite myself personally, outside of the odd exception. He had the highest passing accuracy out of the entire team tonight (outside of Jack who only made a brief cameo) at over 92%, considering he played next to Barkley and McGinn playing how they did he was made to look even better in possession if anything. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitvilla Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, Indigo said: Thought the opposite myself personally, outside of the odd exception. He had the highest passing accuracy out of the entire team tonight (outside of Jack who only made a brief cameo) at over 92%, considering he played next to Barkley and McGinn playing how they did he was made to look even better in possession if anything. Only watched the last twenty .... Luiz would have got the MOTM based on that for me. Excellent passing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HongKongVillan Posted May 13, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted May 13, 2021 He had a horrid start in the second half, not sure if its coincident thought he then played quite well after Ross went off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulberto21 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, Indigo said: Thought the opposite myself personally, outside of the odd exception. He had the highest passing accuracy out of the entire team tonight (outside of Jack who only made a brief cameo) at over 92%, considering he played next to Barkley and McGinn playing how they did he was made to look even better in possession if anything. Apart 2 or 3 sloppy moments his passing and overall play was brilliant. In the last ten he made about 4 interceptions, anticipated ricochets and even made a clearing header. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdman Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 Despite him giving away the ball dangerously on occasion I thought his generla play was very good. Also defended very well in the box. He's 23 and he's going to be very very good I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 He had a few stupid passes, but to be fair he at least got back to make amends. He picked up a lot of loose balls infront of our goal as well. His calmness on the ball even close to our goal is an assest, although his inexperience at times means he can be a bit too casual... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 I thought it was one of his best games in a while Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuwabatake Sanjuro Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 Had a good game, any moments of sloppiness were rectified too. Clear to see why he is well ahead of Allan in the pecking order for Brazil too. Hope when the fans return they support him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 44 minutes ago, Indigo said: Thought the opposite myself personally, outside of the odd exception. He had the highest passing accuracy out of the entire team tonight (outside of Jack who only made a brief cameo) at over 92%, considering he played next to Barkley and McGinn playing how they did he was made to look even better in possession if anything. Thought Luiz was good, very good at times tonight. Also think McGinn had his best game in a while. Hard to overstate how much more difficult their jobs are with a big scouse mincer bimbling about in front of them like an extra from Last of the Summer Wine. Reckon he’s going to do a Matt Targett on us next season and barely put a foot wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillanousOne Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 50 minutes ago, Indigo said: Thought the opposite myself personally, outside of the odd exception. He had the highest passing accuracy out of the entire team tonight (outside of Jack who only made a brief cameo) at over 92%, considering he played next to Barkley and McGinn playing how they did he was made to look even better in possession if anything. there is opinion and there is facts, are you genuinely trying to tell me he didn't repeatedly give the ball away? As i said on most occasions he gave the ball away then won it back and overall he played well. the issue is against a better team some of those blind passes could have been punished, but everyone was sloppy today. I think McGinn had a really good game though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Indigo said: Best outfield player today for me. Showed he has it in him to excel in this role. The best things he did today, were further up the pitch I thought, funnily enough. So still not sure about " this role ". Seems he was told to get forward more today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted May 13, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted May 13, 2021 his best performance of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 53 minutes ago, Zatman said: I thought it was one of his best games in a while Yep, agreed. Ive been one of his biggest critics but he played well tonight for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indigo Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 7 minutes ago, VillanousOne said: there is opinion and there is facts, are you genuinely trying to tell me he didn't repeatedly give the ball away? As i said on most occasions he gave the ball away then won it back and overall he played well. the issue is against a better team some of those blind passes could have been punished, but everyone was sloppy today. I think McGinn had a really good game though. Well I was only disagreeing with the word "frequently", which the % figure factually suggests otherwise and isn't a matter of opinion as he literally sacrificed possession fewer times than any other player that played a decent amount of minutes. As I said there were of course some (perhaps notable) exceptions and those are what you are alluding to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhan_Zhuang Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 Very good against Everton. Anyone see his skill when he looped the ball over a player closing him down? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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