nick76 Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, KenjiOgiwara said: I don't see the point of repeating this cause it's clear you write posts before reading. But no. We were talking the PL under Deano. Davis was in a far worse team without confidence under Steve Bruce. Wesley got that role under a team full of confidence under Deano having spent £127 million on new players. Completely different scenario. And Davis HAD to play due to injuries. Wesley were given total slack. Even when he was utter wank. So no. You're wrong. Again. So it’s Bruce’s fault not Davis....right! We had just got promoted from the playoffs, lost most of our team so had to spend that money and we brought in Wes, who couldn’t speak the language, new country, into a partially built team, a new environment and expected to score. How many foreigners settle that quickly, the rest of the team was struggling badly as well, struggling to compete at the premier league level. A team full of confidence? You did watch us last season before the 1st shutdown? We were slightly cut adrift from safety and looked certain for relegation... Davis was playing in the Championship!!! The Championship, not the Premier League and couldn’t cut it. Had to play because of injuries....what does that mean? So he played didn’t he? and didn’t perform, scored only 2 goals in 28 games and against poor teams. Also he didn’t have to settle in, he overall had an easier time, easier opposition at an easier level and couldn’t do it. So no, I’m not wrong! You’re just failing with your justification because there isn’t one. Davis couldn’t cut it in the Championship but you expect him to in the PL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulberto21 Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 1 hour ago, The_Steve said: Cannot wait for him to return and prove the doubters wrong Is it wrong I was transfixed on Davis' arse? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyexists Posted March 11, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted March 11, 2021 15 minutes ago, Sulberto21 said: Is it wrong I was transfixed on Davis' arse? If you listen closely you can hear it creaking. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommo_b Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 Davis is like a league 2 footballer, be glad when we have Wesley to call off the bench instead. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 4 hours ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Which we can watch for £2. Wasn’t sure where to post that. U23 Thread? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Demitri_C Posted March 11, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 11, 2021 You seriously comparing davis who hasnt scored in over a year to wes who scored more goals in half his 1st season than davis ever has? Hilarous 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 29 minutes ago, Keyblade said: The exact opposite of this is true. Nope. For all our overpaid stars we looked absolutely clueless. We bruceballed our way to a playoff, but whenever we played half decent opposition we looked void of confidence. We even lost against some league two outfit in the cup. Wesley's first 6 months we were on a complete high. We looked like a side that would stay up. The fight and confidence completely fell off the second half of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 13 minutes ago, KenjiOgiwara said: Nope. For all our overpaid stars we looked absolutely clueless. We bruceballed our way to a playoff, but whenever we played half decent opposition we looked void of confidence. We even lost against some league two outfit in the cup. Wesley's first 6 months we were on a complete high. We looked like a side that would stay up. The fight and confidence completely fell off the second half of the season. Just losing the argument from poster to poster, page by page aren’t you! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmygreaves Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 1 hour ago, KenjiOgiwara said: What previous ability? The few goals he had playing in the Belgian league? Better pair him with Samatta then. But I suspect you're right. He gets a lot of leeway cause we spent a lot of money on brazilian. Yeah.... we scouted a player, thought he was shite then decided to spend £20 million on him..... makes sense. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 I'd respond to that seriously, but I know from your posting history that you're a bit challenged. Have a good evening. Read what people write before you post next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 Just now, KenjiOgiwara said: I'd respond to that seriously, but I know from your posting history that you're a bit challenged. Have a good evening. Read what people write before you post next time. Your argument is going down faster than Sheffield United. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 1 minute ago, jimmygreaves said: Yeah.... we scouted a player, thought he was shite then decided to spend £20 million on him..... makes sense. More that we scouted a player inaccurately, then are giving him all sorts of breaks to avoid accepting he's a dud. Like Newcastle ended up doing with their brazilian. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 1 minute ago, KenjiOgiwara said: Nope. For all our overpaid stars we looked absolutely clueless. We bruceballed our way to a playoff, but whenever we played half decent opposition we looked void of confidence. We even lost against some league two outfit in the cup. Wesley's first 6 months we were on a complete high. We looked like a side that would stay up. The fight and confidence completely fell off the second half of the season. I mean this is just disconnected from reality and not borne out by any facts. You're just going off feels here. It's all "we looked" this or that. Doesn't matter how good or ugly or clueless or confident we looked while doing it. One side was one of the best sides in their respective league and the other one of the worst sides (technically the very worst side by the end of it). That's just reality, reflected by any metric you could possibly think of to measure the success of a team. Just for 1 example, before he got injured, Wesley spent 7 match weeks straight hovering between 17th and 18th, in a run of 5 defeats out of 7. In fact, before the Burnley game, we had lost 8 out of 11 matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 1 minute ago, KenjiOgiwara said: More that we scouted a player inaccurately, then are giving him all sorts of breaks to avoid accepting he's a dud. Like Newcastle ended up doing with their brazilian. Yet he’s still scored more goals than Davis (even in the Championship) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 Just now, Keyblade said: Just for 1 example, before he got injured, Wesley spent 7 match weeks straight hovering between 17th and 18th, in a run of 5 defeats out of 7. In fact, before the Burnley game, we had lost 8 out of 11 matches. Oh I remember. Cause we created plenty chances. We just had a shit striker so we never scored enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Keyblade said: I mean this is just disconnected from reality and not borne out by any facts. You're just going off feels here. It's all "we looked" this or that. Doesn't matter how good or ugly or clueless or confident we looked while doing it. One side was one of the best sides in their respective league and the other one of the worst sides (technically the very worst side by the end of it). That's just reality, reflected by any metric you could possibly think of to measure the success of a team. Just for 1 example, before he got injured, Wesley spent 7 match weeks straight hovering between 17th and 18th, in a run of 5 defeats out of 7. In fact, before the Burnley game, we had lost 8 out of 11 matches. Playing devil's advocate, you could lay some of the blame for that form at Wesley's door...however, even if you did that, there is zero evidence that Davis would have done better, given his poor form the previous season in a team riding high against weaker opposition. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 1 minute ago, KenjiOgiwara said: Oh I remember. Cause we created plenty chances. We just had a shit striker so we never scored enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 1 hour ago, KenjiOgiwara said: Wesley's first 6 months we were on a complete high. We looked like a side that would stay up. The fight and confidence completely fell off the second half of the season. So what you saying is when Wes was fit we were okay. When he was injured and we only had Davis....I mean el Ghazi we fell off? End of argument surely? You've answered the Wes v Davis debate yourself. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_Villain Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 How can anyone not see having Wes (even on the bench) is a vast improvement to Davis?! Wes has at least scored goals in this league... and that was with a hastily pulled together team that didnt know eachother! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 6 hours ago, HKP90 said: Wesley 21 League appearances 5 goals 1 assist Davis 25 League appearances 0 goals 0 assists How about minutes played? Fairly relevant stat Majority of Davis "games" has come off the bench Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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