TRO Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: An football? Just as bad as England, yeah? I'll bet if it was Idris Elba, most Polish and British parents would be delighted. Oh we are in to class distinction now and rich or poor. Edited July 16, 2021 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 It's just a completely irrelevant addition to the conversation isn't it? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitvilla Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 Just out of curiosity ... how much of Brexit was driven by the presence of Eastern Europeans? I was not there so it is difficult to judge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: Can't really comment. I went to a few games and I never saw monkey chants, bananas, booing black players or any of that. At Div 3 level or Ekstraklasa level. If you went to a Polish international, they wouldn't be racist in the national stadium like Bulgaria were. It's more about hooliganism and ultras here than racism tbh. Racism here is more casual racism. Through ignorance. Poland is incredibly homogenous. This was aired just this year for example: They don't see it as racism. Because they don't have the historical context of blackface that we have in the UK, and in the US. They didn't have slavery. That's certainly no excuse, now you are sticking up for the Polish being racist? It's just like the argument, the fans who boo, do not know the knee is to do with "no room for racism" not BLM. They cannot be labled as racists I'm sorry it's just not fact. Edited July 16, 2021 by foreveryoung Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 ‘White people are victims of racism too’ is a terrible argument anyway, because the knee is about protesting racism. If you’re white and have been a victim, they’re doing it for you too. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul514 Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 3 hours ago, a m ole said: ‘White people are victims of racism too’ is a terrible argument anyway, because the knee is about protesting racism. If you’re white and have been a victim, they’re doing it for you too. You think they are kneeling against 'positive discrimination'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 1 hour ago, paul514 said: You think they are kneeling against 'positive discrimination'? They’ve already said they’re kneeling for anti-racism. A lot of times. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 5 hours ago, foreveryoung said: That's certainly no excuse, now you are sticking up for the Polish being racist? It's just like the argument, the fans who boo, do not know the knee is to do with "no room for racism" not BLM. They cannot be labled as racists I'm sorry it's just not fact. They know exactly why they’re booing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 It's pretty simple. If you defend those booing or those that use racist language then you might be shocked to know you're part of the problem. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 8 hours ago, foreveryoung said: That's certainly no excuse, now you are sticking up for the Polish being racist? Err, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingram85 Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, foreveryoung said: That's certainly no excuse, now you are sticking up for the Polish being racist? He never defended it. He just gave a reason as to why it happens but never agreed with it. Some of the takes in here lol. Edited July 17, 2021 by Ingram85 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Ingram85 said: He never defended it. He just gave a reason as to why it happens but never agreed with it. Some of the takes in here lol. That's fine, but then don't automatically think the fans who boo are racists, let them explain too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 5 hours ago, paul514 said: You think they are kneeling against 'positive discrimination'? What do you think the words “no room for racism” mean? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanBalaban Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 6 hours ago, paul514 said: You think they are kneeling against 'positive discrimination'? Paul I have a couple of sincere questions for you, simply because I curious to see other people's perspectives... Do you think that on the whole, the average white person enjoys some advantages in life that an equivalent black or Asian does? Do you think there are times when black or Asian's enjoy advantages of their white equivalent? (By equivalent, I mean in a similar peer group, level of education, etc..) Finally, can people "become" English, or is the preserve of those born to English parents? These are not loaded questions, I'm genuinely interested. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 On 16/07/2021 at 08:35, foreveryoung said: I'd say anyone that agrees with this is part of the problem. On 16/07/2021 at 09:18, Davkaus said: What's the difference? Shocked that you failed to explain your post and shifted the goalposts again. Shocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 26 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: That's fine, but then don't automatically think the fans who boo are racists, let them explain too. Probably just had themselves hacked or something. Definitely not racist, them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingram85 Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 28 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: That's fine, but then don't automatically think the fans who boo are racists, let them explain too. Facepalm.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 51 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: That's fine, but then don't automatically think the fans who boo are racists, let them explain too. Has there ever been any explanation other than "mumble mumble, Marxism, mumble something political message mumble mumble abolish the police mumble no place in sport something something" I'm more than happy to let anyone explain their position. But if it's a variation on that bullshit theme, I'll just carry on assuming they're a ****. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 15 minutes ago, Davkaus said: Shocked that you failed to explain your post and shifted the goalposts again. Shocked. Can't even remember what it was about, an not to bothered either, as it'll most probably just end up with, your right, I'm completed and utterly wrong bollox. As Tro has said it's a very complex issue, it's not black and white (no pun intended) and unless you obviously admit your racist or are blatantly are one, there's always going to be differing opinions right or wrong. To be honest, I like many people don't take it too serious, either black, white blue green, I don't care I have always had respect for others if they have respect for me and just live my own life. There are many many prejudices in the world, it's gets better, but they are never going to be eradicated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 17, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted July 17, 2021 55 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: That's fine, but then don't automatically think the fans who boo are racists, let them explain too. Anyone who boos an explicitly anti-racism gesture is a racist. By the very definition of it. Stop excusing racists. It’s not a good look 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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