New Manager Speculation

[HeyAnty]

4 minutes ago, Kiwivillan said:

As said before he inherited an amazing team and Leicester scouts got Mahrez for 400k and Kante for 5.6m the latter won them the league then won it for Chelsea imo. Ranieri is bang average and people only say him because Leicester won title and ignore all the other factors. RDM won CL and the team was practically managed by the senior players

Two players don’t win a prem league. He has a record for getting teams built. In his 4 years at Chelsea he brought in the core of the team that stayed there for years after he left. He also has a good promotion record for getting teams up from lower divisions. 

[DaveAV1]

2 minutes ago, hippo said:

I think Henry would be a disastrous appointment tbh. 

Based on what?

[Kiwivillan]

2 minutes ago, HeyAnty said:

Two players don’t win a prem league. He has a record for getting teams built. In his 4 years at Chelsea he brought in the core of the team that stayed there for years after he left. He also has a good promotion record for getting teams up from lower divisions. 

Kante won back to back PL titles with 2 different teams. Mahrez is Mahrez

[Sam3773]

Dean Smith then. 

Not surprised. His team play good football, he's a Villa fan and the majority want him in. I think I'd have preferred a bit more ambition to go for a Rodgers but I'm certainly not against Smith. Quite excited in fact. 

Let's hope it comes to fruition. 

Edited September 30, 2018 by Sam3773

[HeyAnty]

2 minutes ago, Kiwivillan said:

Kante won back to back PL titles with 2 different teams. Mahrez is Mahrez

U serious?

[sne]

Still hoping we aim much higher than Dean Smith.

If we're going for Villa fans I'd rather have Prandelli tbh.

[HeyAnty]

Just now, sne said:

Still hoping we aim much higher than Dean Smith.

If we're going for Villa fans I'd rather have Prandelli tbh.

Dean Smith is a Bruce type signing. 200% no way for me. Whats being a Villa fan got to do with managing a team? From what i see he seems to have his teams up more to beat Villa than anyone else.

Plus the structure at Brentford does alot of the work for Smith.

[sne]

12 minutes ago, HeyAnty said:

Dean Smith is a Bruce type signing. 200% no way for me. Whats being a Villa fan got to do with managing a team? From what i see he seems to have his teams up more to beat Villa than anyone else.

Plus the structure at Brentford does alot of the work for Smith.

Was thinking he'd be sort of a Lambert signing actually.

One of the reasons I want non British manager is that they are often used to work under a different club structure than the one usually used traditionally in England and one I hope we are implementing with a DOF and so on.

Now Brentford seem to have that so it might be a +, but as you say Smith might need their entire set up to be successful and that wont happen.

Edited September 30, 2018 by sne

[AvfcRigo82]

23 minutes ago, hippo said:

based on what ? - that he scored a lot of goals in his playing career.

I think Henry would be a disastrous appointment tbh. 

I don't know is that what you are basing it on? As I haven't mentioned his playing career.

I think Henry would be a shrewd appointment (providing the foundations are right from the beginning).

[dudevillaisnice]

With Dean Smith we will be in the same position a year later in my opinion. Need to look further afield. 

[guyavfc]

Well anyone is better than Bruce, so I'd take Smith. It annoys me that apparently Bruce has 2 games to save his job. Why bother giving him chance to **** our season up further?

[Dr_Pangloss]

I like Dean Smith and he's doing a wonderful job at Brentford, I wouldn't be massive unhappy with him but do agree that we absolutely should be aiming higher. The two issues I'd have with Smith is that firstly, we'd probably have to acquire Brentford's infrastructure, the job that Smith does isn't of course just down to him, we'd need his coaches and scouts. The second issue is we just don't know how he'd deal with a club of our size. Just as Bruce demonstrates time and time again that he cannot handle the pressure, it's possible that Smith will be out of his comfort zone at a club this big.

Edited September 30, 2018 by Dr_Pangloss

[Mark Albrighton]

Been said better above, but if you asked me who do I want to take charge of the next two games, Bruce or Dean Smith, I’d take Dean Smith hands down. I’d probably pick a lot of managers over Bruce at the moment.

I’m unconvinced Smith is the right man. He’s done well at Brentford but they have their own set up there. I’d want us to look further afield.

[DaveAV1]

20 minutes ago, HeyAnty said:

Dean Smith is a Bruce type signing. 200% no way for me. Whats being a Villa fan got to do with managing a team? From what i see he seems to have his teams up more to beat Villa than anyone else.

Plus the structure at Brentford does alot of the work for Smith.

I’m not particularly for or against Dean Smith, but can someone please explain to me, what is this mythical Brentford structure I keep hearing about? And if it exists, surely it can be replicated?

[AvfcRigo82]

1 minute ago, DaveAV1 said:

I’m not particularly for or against Dean Smith, but can someone please explain to me, what is this mythical Brentford structure I keep hearing about? And if it exists, surely it can be replicated?

It's baffled me for weeks Dave.

[sne]

3 minutes ago, DaveAV1 said:

I’m not particularly for or against Dean Smith, but can someone please explain to me, what is this mythical Brentford structure I keep hearing about? And if it exists, surely it can be replicated?

Quote

Analytics is a way of thinking,” says Brentford’s co-director of football Rasmus Ankersen as the Championship club opens its doors to Telegraph Sport to offer an insight into how they want to “out-think the opposition” and plot a path into the Premier League.

The fact that Ankersen is a “co” director of football, a role he shares with Phil Giles, is part of that difference at the club owned by Brentford fan Matthew Benham - who established Smartodds, a business based on using data to predict the outcome of sports events to customers including professional gamblers.

It has led to suspicion – and even ridicule - not least with a turnover of managers before Dean Smith was hired as head coach last November, from Walsall, with Brentford employing a ‘head of football philosophy’, coaches specialising in set-pieces, throw-ins and even ‘kicking’ and when the club’s academy was closed.

At Brentford they hate the term ‘Moneyball’ – appearing to base sporting decision on statistics and analytics - and bridle at suggestions that this is their ethos although such analysis is important...

Full article is much longer.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/10/12/brentford-fc---the-club-thinking-outside-the-box/

[striker]

2 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said:

I like Dean Smith and he's doing a wonderful job at Brentford, I wouldn't be massive unhappy with him but do agree that we absolutely should be aiming higher. The two issues I'd have with Smith is that firstly, we'd probably have to acquire Brentford's infrastructure, the job that Smith does isn't of course just down to him, we'd need his coaches and scouts. The second issue is we just don't know how he'd deal with a club of our size. Just as Bruce demonstrates time and time again that he cannot handle the pressure, it's possible that Smith will be out of his comfort zone at a club this big.

Good post but isn’t this exactly why you would be employing someone like Smith to put a much better and forward thinking infrastructure in place? That’s what Villa need and not another appointment like Bruce playing stuck in the past football with archaic coaching.

Personally I think Villa should go all out and nab Rodgers from Celtic as he knows how to manage a big club but again you would have to pay the extra to bring his preferred coaching and scouting staff.

You might also have to forsake promotion this season until that new way of playing becomes imbedded into the club but the Championship is that poor this season that may not happen anyway?

[TRO]

49 minutes ago, HeyAnty said:

Dean Smith is a Bruce type signing. 200% no way for me. Whats being a Villa fan got to do with managing a team? From what i see he seems to have his teams up more to beat Villa than anyone else.

Plus the structure at Brentford does alot of the work for Smith.

That is the big worry.

I see players from Brentford too, not making the same impact when they move away.

[HeyAnty]

32 minutes ago, Shropshire Lad said:

Been said better above, but if you asked me who do I want to take charge of the next two games, Bruce or Dean Smith, I’d take Dean Smith hands down. I’d probably pick a lot of managers over Bruce at the moment.

I’m unconvinced Smith is the right man. He’s done well at Brentford but they have their own set up there. I’d want us to look further afield.

I get what you are saying and everyone would say the same, but Smith would be here for alot longer than 2 games. In our next appointment we have to look at someone who is able to build something and if it doesn’t work out someone else can come in and pick up were he left off. 

As it is with Bruce, Villa is to big a club for Smith.

[sidcow]

So to be clear. 

Dean Smith is essentially rubbish.  Anyone could do his job because the system is what wins the games. 

The players are essentially rubbish and so long as they fit into the system, regardless of their ability the system will win the games. 

I DON'T BUY IT. 

Not saying he is the man for the job but I just don't believe some magical system allows managers with little talent to manage on autopilot and average players hugely over acheived because of some system. 

If it was the case everyone would do it. 

It's all just sound bytes in my opinion.