Davkaus Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 7 minutes ago, Spoony said: What do we think of Mane’s ‘elbow’ within the first 10 seconds of the Pool Chelsea game? I think it could have gone either way. I don't think it was deliberate, so it's not violent conduct. Is it serious foul play? That comes down to if the force is excessive, and I really can't decide. He couldn't have many complaints if he did go off, but I don't think a yellow is outrageous either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 5 minutes ago, Davkaus said: I think it could have gone either way. I don't think it was deliberate, so it's not violent conduct. Is it serious foul play? That comes down to if the force is excessive, and I really can't decide. He couldn't have many complaints if he did go off, but I don't think a yellow is outrageous either. Yeah, that’s where I am with it. 10 seconds in I think he gets the benefit of the doubt. Not that it should matter but it’s been a great game that might not have happened with an early red. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted January 2, 2022 Moderator Share Posted January 2, 2022 I thought it was deliberate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 2 hours ago, Spoony said: What do we think of Mane’s ‘elbow’ within the first 10 seconds of the Pool Chelsea game? Red card. If a non top 6 player does it they are off no question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 The Mane incident was one of those that could have gone either way. its early in the game and its imoprtant the ref does everything he can to keep 22 players on the pitch so if theres any dobt no red card. Right call! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 The mane incident is why VAR shouldn't exist You watch it 20.timesnand there is no "right" answer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Silvers Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 1 minute ago, villa4europe said: The mane incident is why VAR shouldn't exist You watch it 20.timesnand there is no "right" answer Said all along, make it as vague and inconsistent as it can be and decisions can be manipulated to suit whatever. We spent a fortune on tech only for the same imbeciles to make the decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 7 minutes ago, villa4europe said: The mane incident is why VAR shouldn't exist You watch it 20.timesnand there is no "right" answer But there are plenty of incidents it can correct. There's definitely a conversation to be had about its use, how far we take ensuring correctness, and how potentially we just roll with the on-pitch decision for some decisions, but throwing it out entirely because it can't give a definitive answer about everything doesn't seem right to me, you might as well disband the police because they can't solve every crime 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lichfield Dean Posted January 2, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted January 2, 2022 I wonder if we hopped onto Amazon Web Services, trained up a Machine Learning algorithm with lots of videos of referee and VAR decisions and let it referee a match what would happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 1 minute ago, Lichfield Dean said: I wonder if we hopped onto Amazon Web Services, trained up a Machine Learning algorithm with lots of videos of referee and VAR decisions and let it referee a match what would happen? It'd examine the available evidence, extrapolate, and nobody would be allowed within 18 yards of Mo Salah 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoony Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 I don’t feel like we are talking about incorrect decisions, controversial decisions and match-changing decisions any less than we were before, so you have to wonder what the point is… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 25 minutes ago, Spoony said: I don’t feel like we are talking about incorrect decisions, controversial decisions and match-changing decisions any less than we were before, so you have to wonder what the point is… More so if anything! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a-k Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 2 hours ago, Lichfield Dean said: I wonder if we hopped onto Amazon Web Services, trained up a Machine Learning algorithm with lots of videos of referee and VAR decisions and let it referee a match what would happen? (this is legit, not The Onion) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 3, 2022 Author VT Supporter Share Posted January 3, 2022 17 hours ago, villa4europe said: The mane incident is why VAR shouldn't exist You watch it 20.timesnand there is no "right" answer To be honest I think this is a reason FOR it existing. It just needs to be used correctly. Give the same referee a few more angles of a dubious incident so he can make a completely informed decision. It doesn't matter if there's no definitive answer. It's the match official making the decision with extra available angles. That's all you can ask for 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a-k Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 IF YOU HAVE TO SPEND FIVE MINUTES LOOKING AT IT, LEAVE THE ON-PITCH DECISION Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Tell me how. How is there anything wrong with this apart from scoring against United Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 They are not even trying to hide it anymore 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 See I said yesterday they'd be a dodgy decision after that West Ham goal was given when Bowen was offside and he challenged the keeper and here we are and we're predictably on the end of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 (edited) If it wasn’t for offside or Ramsey being on the pitch, that goal would’ve been disallowed because Villa scored it. Edited January 10, 2022 by bobzy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 It's evolved from clear and obvious to forensically look for ANY offence to disallow the goal. How is this better? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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