The_Steve Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 2 hours ago, a-k said: Salah-esque dive there. Manufacturing contact. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 7 minutes ago, The_Steve said: Salah-esque dive there. Manufacturing contact. Worse than that, there wasn't any contact bar a shirt pull in the mid rift It looks like the knees or legs clash but from the replays I saw they don't Its a shocker, it's not even hard, just read the body language, the way silva straightened his body up on the way to the floor was ridiculously unnatural Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted January 1, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted January 1, 2022 Does anyone believe that if that Lloris challenge was against any of the top 4 it wouldn't have been given? Its a complete joke! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, Nigel said: Does anyone believe that if that Lloris challenge was against any of the top 4 it wouldn't have been given? Its a complete joke! Or if it been against Kane on the other end. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM3000 Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 I actually think VAR got it right in the Arsenal game. The first one is close, its not clear and obvious when you need 4-5 replays to see what happened, likewise if it was given it wouldn't be overturned. Stick with on field decision. Xhaka has stuck a leg out and grabbed his shirt, take your pick, absolutely stone wall foul and it's in the box so it's a pen. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 It is true that when they go to the screen it's gonna be overturned. The reason 100% is because they don't wanna overule the ref at Stockley Park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 1, 2022 Author VT Supporter Share Posted January 1, 2022 22 minutes ago, AndyM3000 said: I actually think VAR got it right in the Arsenal game. The first one is close, its not clear and obvious when you need 4-5 replays to see what happened, likewise if it was given it wouldn't be overturned. Stick with on field decision. Xhaka has stuck a leg out and grabbed his shirt, take your pick, absolutely stone wall foul and it's in the box so it's a pen. I think the Odegaard one is probably a penalty (unless it was against us then everyone on here would be saying Odegaard stepped on Ederson so it's not) Silva one is a pen for me. There's enough contact and he's getting his shirt pulled. Gabriel red card was stonewall (although I guess technically not a VAR decision as it was second yellow) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lammy123 Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 21 minutes ago, AndyM3000 said: I actually think VAR got it right in the Arsenal game. The first one is close, its not clear and obvious when you need 4-5 replays to see what happened, likewise if it was given it wouldn't be overturned. Stick with on field decision. Xhaka has stuck a leg out and grabbed his shirt, take your pick, absolutely stone wall foul and it's in the box so it's a pen. If he gives it for the shirt pull then it's very very soft indeed but it's a blantant dive either way as whatever contact there is there is not enough for him to go down like that (remember its not a non contact sport). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoony Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 3 hours ago, foreveryoung said: It is true that when they go to the screen it's gonna be overturned. The reason 100% is because they don't wanna overule the ref at Stockley Park. The thing that bothers me the most is that stockley park get all sorts of angles and that’ll often show the decision is not as clear cut as a single angle shows. Why can’t the ref see the various angles? It may take a little longer but it won’t make a material difference to how long it already takes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 7 hours ago, lammy123 said: If he gives it for the shirt pull then it's very very soft indeed but it's a blantant dive either way as whatever contact there is there is not enough for him to go down like that (remember its not a non contact sport). Exactly that for me, the fall doesn't correlate to the contact, they're 2 completely different things, it's a dive Get touched fall over win penalty, its taking the piss The contact does not make his body do that, silva makes his body do that, it's that simple for me same with mings on salah, it's happening every week 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 2 hours ago, villa4europe said: Exactly that for me, the fall doesn't correlate to the contact, they're 2 completely different things, it's a dive Get touched fall over win penalty, its taking the piss The contact does not make his body do that, silva makes his body do that, it's that simple for me same with mings on salah, it's happening every week It doesn’t matter in the Silva situation for me - it’s a clear pen. We can’t be saying that players have to fall over to be fouled, that’s nonsense. Players exaggerate their falls to ensure the decision is given. Xhaka gets done by Silva, sticks a leg out to catch him and then pulls his shirt. It probably isn’t enough to send him to the ground, but it’s a foul. It’s that simple. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM3000 Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 3 hours ago, villa4europe said: Exactly that for me, the fall doesn't correlate to the contact, they're 2 completely different things, it's a dive Get touched fall over win penalty, its taking the piss The contact does not make his body do that, silva makes his body do that, it's that simple for me same with mings on salah, it's happening every week 90% of fouls do not make you fall over but this is the way the game is now. If you stay on your feet you won't get a freekick and as soon as one team starts flopping all over the place and is given fouls every 5 mins then other teams will do it. This is just incredibly clumsy by Xhaka and then his stupidity on top of it to grab the shirt. I'm much more concerned about the last situation you mentioned whereby players are just sticking their legs into where the defender is running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 (edited) I don’t get we’re going on about the shirt pull. For something to be a foul, it has to be consequent. He’s already down when the shirt pull happens. It’s irrelevant. The same as the Maddison dive a couple of weeks ago. There’s contact but he’s already in the air when it happens. and the ‘leg’ aspect. There’s nowhere near enough there for him to be falling over. to summarise. Not enough contact for a foul initially. He dived, and as he’s in mid air, his shirt is pulled but it’s completely irrelevant to his actions. If he was on his feet, and the shirt pull happened, 100% a penalty. But he’s dived. Edited January 2, 2022 by StefanAVFC 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 2, 2022 Author VT Supporter Share Posted January 2, 2022 He’s not diving until after his shirt is pulled. Not that that matters. Whether he’s gone to ground easily or not, it’s a foul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 2 hours ago, bobzy said: It doesn’t matter in the Silva situation for me - it’s a clear pen. We can’t be saying that players have to fall over to be fouled, that’s nonsense. Players exaggerate their falls to ensure the decision is given. Xhaka gets done by Silva, sticks a leg out to catch him and then pulls his shirt. It probably isn’t enough to send him to the ground, but it’s a foul. It’s that simple. So what you're saying is that he can stay up, he can get the ball if he wants but he doesn't want to, he wants to fall over... And that's OK? Games gone mad 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post PieFacE Posted January 2, 2022 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted January 2, 2022 I'm okay with that being a foul if every shirt pull is penalised as a foul. but it just isn't and it's the inconsistency that's annoying. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 2, 2022 Author VT Supporter Share Posted January 2, 2022 (edited) 36 minutes ago, villa4europe said: So what you're saying is that he can stay up, he can get the ball if he wants but he doesn't want to, he wants to fall over... And that's OK? Games gone mad This is the way it's been for about 20 years. Nobody moaned when Grealish was doing it 10 times a game for us Edited January 2, 2022 by Stevo985 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Stevo985 said: He’s not diving until after his shirt is pulled. Not that that matters. Whether he’s gone to ground easily or not, it’s a foul He literally was though. He's already falling over when the shirt pull starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 2, 2022 Author VT Supporter Share Posted January 2, 2022 9 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: He literally was though. He's already falling over when the shirt pull starts. His shirt is being pulled there. He's running. His next step his left foot is planted as normal. Then he goes to ground. This is another one where if that was Ollie Watkins instead of Bernardo Silva and that penalty wasn't given we'd all be going **** mental Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 (edited) You run in a very strange way if you think he's running there Agree to disagree but I think you're completely blind if you think he's running in that picture and not already falling over. His left leg is dangling, not waiting to plant ffs. Edited January 2, 2022 by StefanAVFC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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