Popular Post meregreen Posted June 8, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted June 8, 2017 25 minutes ago, KHV said: People still vote Conservative because Labour governments are complete disasters whenever they happen The facts state otherwise. The last Labour Govt. was one of the most if not the most successful since the war. Unfortunately the Tory bankers **** it up on a global scale. My own favourite would be Clem Atlees Post War Govt. To build a Welfare State and NHS from the ashes of World War 2 was a quite magnificent achievement. Can't think of anything the Tories have done that even comes close to that . Give them enough time though, and they'll do their conniving best to destroy it. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 1 minute ago, meregreen said: The facts state otherwise. The last Labour Govt. was one of the most if not the most successful since the war. Unfortunately the Tory bankers **** it up on a global scale. My own favourite would be Clem Atlees Post War Govt. To build a Welfare State and NHS from the ashes of World War 2 was a quite magnificent achievement. Can't think of anything the Tories have done that even comes close to that . Give them enough time though, and they'll do their conniving best to destroy it. Yes Clement Atlee is the great pm of all time in my opinion 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 1 minute ago, PaulC said: Yes Clement Atlee is the great pm of all time in my opinion John Major for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 2 minutes ago, hippo said: Theresa lots we don't know. There could be a war in middle east sending oil prices surging, The US economy could falter which usually affects us. I think we do know that the brexit trading terms won't be as good as we have now. But basically we can't put plans on hold for 2 years. One thing I'm pretty sure is that Brexit will be tough in the short term and unemployment will go up, hence why I'm worried about hitting businesses in so many ways in one go. I think that would just make matters worse. Committing yourself to scrapping tuition fees (a quarter of the spending commitments) immediately is utter foolishness and several Labour posters on here think it's a bad idea that he should scrap too. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted June 8, 2017 Moderator Share Posted June 8, 2017 1 hour ago, Demitri_C said: Come on the riots was not their fault, that's a ridiculous accusation I don't quite know how to respond to that, Dem. I could point out that no one made that "accusation". I could point out that the whole article is satirical anyway or I could .... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 1 minute ago, sharkyvilla said: One thing I'm pretty sure is that Brexit will be tough in the short term and unemployment will go up, hence why I'm worried about hitting businesses in so many ways in one go. I think that would just make matters worse. Committing yourself to scrapping tuition fees (a quarter of the spending commitments) immediately is utter foolishness and several Labour posters on here think it's a bad idea that he should scrap too. But student loans are only a fairly recent thing. We survived as an economy when we gave students grants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 3 minutes ago, blandy said: I don't quite know how to respond to that, Dem. I could point out that no one made that "accusation". I could point out that the whole article is satirical anyway or I could .... It wasnt directed at you pete the article was insinuating the riots were because of tory government. The way it happened would have happened had it been labour or conservative due to the circumstances.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Reacting with anything other than a quiet guffaw to a Daily Mash article is the wrong reaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted June 8, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted June 8, 2017 37 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: I dunno mate I think its going to be alot closer than people think. Be very suprised if May wins with a landslide with her her pathetic campaign Tory voters don't give a stuff about campaigns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 39 minutes ago, meregreen said: I remember those days. We actually had Industries then, before Thatcher butchered them on the altar of monetarism.The 3 day week was under a Tory Govt. People had the guts and determination to fight back in those days. We were a better country then, had a better sense of community and looking after each other. There's a poison that the Tories fed into the British people's beliefs. If Corbyn is the beginning of the fight back, then bring it on. It was the fools running the Unions that made Thatcher necessary. A return to either would be catastrophic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakotaDakota Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 It's a bit like asking if you would prefer to be kicked in the balls or punched in the balls. Neither is going to do you much good but hopefully one will hurt a bit less Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 18 minutes ago, hippo said: 3 day week was under heaths conservatives. What it shows is the probable consequences of Corbyn's policy of nationalisation handing more power to the unions. Back in the day unions seemed like a good thing if you worked for a big company or a publicly owned monopoly and you had the leverage to get your demands met but the unions never thought of those who didn't work for big companies or monopolies and had no such power but had to suffer the inflation created by other people's pay rises. These days the only people who have that power are elite public employees, who not only have the power to get what they want, but also the PR resources to convince the rest of the population that they deserve what ever they are asking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post StefanAVFC Posted June 8, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted June 8, 2017 (edited) 1 minute ago, LakotaDakota said: It's a bit like asking if you would prefer to be kicked in the balls or punched in the balls. Neither is going to do you much good but hopefully one will hurt a bit less I'd say it's more of a choice between a poor/disabled person getting kicked in the balls or a well-off person getting a paper cut. A labour government would do less harm to 'rich' people than a Tory government would do for the poor/disabled. Edited June 8, 2017 by StefanAVFC 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 2 minutes ago, MakemineVanilla said: What it shows is the probable consequences of Corbyn's policy of nationalisation handing more power to the unions. Back in the day unions seemed like a good thing if you worked for a big company or a publicly owned monopoly and you had the leverage to get your demands met but the unions never thought of those who didn't work for big companies or monopolies and had no such power but had to suffer the inflation created by other people's pay rises. These days the only people who have that power are elite public employees, who not only have the power to get what they want, but also the PR resources to convince the rest of the population that they deserve what ever they are asking for. I don't see how unions can look after employees of companies that don't have a union. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 38 minutes ago, hippo said: Theresa lots we don't know. It's no "strong and stable", but I can see it catching on as a nickname. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Did anyone know that the greens want to make it a 4 day week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted June 8, 2017 Moderator Share Posted June 8, 2017 2 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Did anyone know that the greens want to make it a 4 day week? I think I've read that previously but don't take any real notice as they are an utter irrelevance in terms of the GE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 (edited) 18 minutes ago, hippo said: I don't see how unions can look after employees of companies that don't have a union. That is why they created the Labour Party but unions made it difficult by following their own narrow their self-interest. Like in 1969 when Barbara Castle launched her very sensible In Place of Strife policy and it was voted down by the unions, and everyone paid the ultimate price. Edited June 8, 2017 by MakemineVanilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 19 minutes ago, LakotaDakota said: It's a bit like asking if you would prefer to be kicked in the balls or punched in the balls. Neither is going to do you much good but hopefully one will hurt a bit less 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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