PieFacE Posted June 8, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted June 8, 2017 Feel very shitty today. Speaking to people at work today about who they are voting for, 3 out of 4 people said "Conservative" ... I asked why, "Because I don't like Corbyn and he didn't wear a poppy" ... I asked what policies they liked from Conservative "Oh none in particular, though I don't agree with the dementia tax"... I despair sometimes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante_Lockhart Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 As a small business owner I can't help but think Corbs will **** us over with tax increases and living wage increases.. but the Conservatives are full of melts who I have no faith in. So torn... might just spoil my ballot and tell them they're all incompetent fools. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 7 minutes ago, hippo said: Okay fantastic for who ? They look set to loose on the scale when the election was called. So even if it fantastic its been totally ineffective. See, this is the source of our disagreement. The bolded part just isn't true. At the time the election was called, the Tories were roughly 20 points ahead. Even the most pessimistic poll for Labour puts them 'only' 13 ahead now. Now, I fully understand that that isn't going to change who walks into number 10, but it just isn't 'the scale when the election was called'. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chindie Posted June 8, 2017 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted June 8, 2017 9 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: NHS free parking? thats downwart lying to the public, that is never going to happen and I suspect Corbyn knows this. As far as I can see its either fantasy or lies, not sure which. But dont get me wrong conservatives are no better but what i am getting at I don't think its going to be any better under labour Would you rather not go for the option that at least wants to try? I don't care how you vote, and I don't like/care about everything on that list. But I look and think, at least that us trying to make things better. The Tories? They won't even think of it. And they're being given an unprecedented opportunity to reshape the country in their image with the 'Great Repeal Bill'. And they want a no deal Brexit. And all the other shit. And people queue up to vote for them. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante_Lockhart Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 14 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: NHS free parking? thats downwart lying to the public, that is never going to happen and I suspect Corbyn knows this. As far as I can see its either fantasy or lies, not sure which. But dont get me wrong conservatives are no better but what i am getting at I don't think its going to be any better under labour Exactly. Aren't the majority of carparks owned by private companies? I don't mind paying for hospital parking IF the money is put back into the hospital itself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Just now, Dante_Lockhart said: As a small business owner I can't help but think Corbs will **** us over with tax increases and living wage increases.. but the Conservatives are full of melts who I have no faith in. So torn... might just spoil my ballot and tell them they're all incompetent fools. Lets forget the things that threatened to bankrupt us that didn't -The formation of the NHS was branded unrealistic -The minimum was was going to bankrupt us -Leaving the single was always going to be a bad thing (actually I believe that one !) I could we wrong but isn't the living wage going up anyway ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 11 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: I think that's an outdated accusation. 3 months ago I'd agree with you but they've run a fantastic campaign. They really havent. I think your hatred for the conservatives is making you think this. Mays just been abysmal which is helping Corbyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted June 8, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted June 8, 2017 1 minute ago, Dante_Lockhart said: Exactly. Aren't the majority of carparks owned by private companies? I don't mind paying for hospital parking IF the money is put back into the hospital itself. At the very least ensure they are 'pay on exit', rather than 'pre-pay and guess how long you'll be in there'. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 4 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: See, this is the source of our disagreement. The bolded part just isn't true. At the time the election was called, the Tories were roughly 20 points ahead. Even the most pessimistic poll for Labour puts them 'only' 13 ahead now. Now, I fully understand that that isn't going to change who walks into number 10, but it just isn't 'the scale when the election was called'. lets see because of the FPP system - in terms of seats a 13 point lead may deliver the same amount of tory seats as a 20% lead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante_Lockhart Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Just now, mjmooney said: At the very least ensure they are 'pay on exit', rather than 'pre-pay and guess how long you'll be in there'. Russell's Hall is pay on exit. Just extortionate fees. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 3 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: See, this is the source of our disagreement. The bolded part just isn't true. At the time the election was called, the Tories were roughly 20 points ahead. Even the most pessimistic poll for Labour puts them 'only' 13 ahead now. Now, I fully understand that that isn't going to change who walks into number 10, but it just isn't 'the scale when the election was called'. You've got to remember that May deliberately used the huge lead to put in unpopular policies in the manifesto such as funding for social care so a decrease in the lead was inevitable and accounted for by her and 'her team'. I will say if Labour manage to get fewer seats under these circumstances than under Miliband it will be a disaster. There's still a lot of voting to do so it may not be as bad as it's being said. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_c Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 14 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: NHS free parking? thats downwart lying to the public, that is never going to happen and I suspect Corbyn knows this. Depends on what you mean by free parking? I was driving my brother-in-law to the hospital for treatment recently and as a patient you get a card to put in the car each day to park for free. Which I'm totally fine with. Visitors still have to pay though. How else do you stop people abusing the free parking? They used to do this at my local hospital, people who worked in town would park there free all day, and no patients could ever get a space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 1 hour ago, hippo said: So wots everyones predictions this morning Tory Maj of 102 for me. Tory Maj of 80 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 7 minutes ago, Chindie said: Would you rather not go for the option that at least wants to try? I don't care how you vote, and I don't like/care about everything on that list. But I look and think, at least that us trying to make things better. The Tories? They won't even think of it. And they're being given an unprecedented opportunity to reshape the country in their image with the 'Great Repeal Bill'. And they want a no deal Brexit. And all the other shit. And people queue up to vote for them. I don't think they ever said they want a 'no deal', just that in any negotiation you have to have the option to pull out rather than just accept the worst deal possible. She'd give her left bollock for some sort of deal but can't really say it openly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakotaDakota Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 So..... Whats top on the twitter agenda this morning before the flood warnings caused by lily allens tears later... #Votelabour, nope #voteconservative, nope #dogsatpollingstations of course... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Why do people hold Labour parties to such higher standards? Labour produce a fully costed manifesto with plenty of good ideas, in theory, and they get pulled apart for it, including by those on their side. The Tories produce an uncosted manifesto, u-turn multiple times and their core vote will still vote for them. To coin a phrase used in the States, Democrats fall in love, Republicans fall in line. Same thing here with Labour/Tories. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted June 8, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted June 8, 2017 22 minutes ago, MakemineVanilla said: Corbyn and McDonnell are exactly the sort of college educated Lefties Corbyn has nothing more than a couple of A-Levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 4 minutes ago, sharkyvilla said: I don't think they ever said they want a 'no deal', just that in any negotiation you have to have the option to pull out rather than just accept the worst deal possible. She'd give her left bollock for some sort of deal but can't really say it openly. The deal she will get is slightly better than world trade tariffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 3 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: Why do people hold Labour parties to such higher standards? Labour produce a fully costed manifesto with plenty of good ideas, in theory, and they get pulled apart for it, including by those on their side. The Tories produce an uncosted manifesto, u-turn multiple times and their core vote will still vote for them. To coin a phrase used in the States, Democrats fall in love, Republicans fall in line. Same thing here with Labour/Tories. My only criticism is that it hasn't worked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 7 minutes ago, hippo said: lets see because of the FPP system - in terms of seats a 13 point lead may deliver the same amount of tory seats as a 20% lead. That really isn't the case though. It just wouldn't. 11 minutes ago, sharkyvilla said: You've got to remember that May deliberately used the huge lead to put in unpopular policies in the manifesto such as funding for social care so a decrease in the lead was inevitable and accounted for by her and 'her team'. I will say if Labour manage to get fewer seats under these circumstances than under Miliband it will be a disaster. There's still a lot of voting to do so it may not be as bad as it's being said. On the first sentence, I'm aware of all of that, but then that's not the same as 'campaigns don't change anything' which was the point I was responding to. On the second, they will get fewer seats than under Miliband, I'm 95% sure of that. The extent to which it's a 'disaster' probably depends whether you're counting from 2015 or from the start of the campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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