sharkyvilla Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 9 minutes ago, darrenm said: I see massive amounts of spending that has to and has every chance of stimulating the economy. If it doesn't we're all **** because Tory austerity has done this to the national debt I see their values as very modern because Keynesian based socialism is very progressive. I see Tory austerity and cutting back as very short-sighted and illogical Unless they eliminated the deficit immediately, debt was always going to go up. That was nigh on impossible unless we had the mother of all austerity strategies. The trend seems to be that the debt is still going up but gradually slowing down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 26 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: it's close enough , what do I win ? I'm guessing you've misread? Not sure... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Just now, sharkyvilla said: Unless they eliminated the deficit immediately, debt was always going to go up. That was nigh on impossible unless we had the mother of all austerity strategies. The trend seems to be that the debt is still going up but gradually slowing down. Yes, the deficit caused the debt to carry on going on up, but QE and austerity were supposed to bring it down quicker than this. The indefatigable truth is that while making 'tough decisions' to cut anything and everything that isn't giving money to rich people, they've still had the debt raising on average £120b a year. In a few years the deficit will be clear and the debt can start coming down, but at a huge cost to society and with a wealth gap never seen before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 50 minutes ago, darrenm said: Same. I remember the NHS being fit for purpose. Seemed a prosperous time all round. Now no-one has any money and everyone hates each other. Welcome to Tory Britain. more revisionism ... Surveys have repeatedly shown that when asked what they think of the NHS people reply it is in crisis. from the BEEB 2007 50 minutes ago, darrenm said: everyone hates each other. everyone doesn't hate each other , you've had examples in recent weeks of what people do for each other when nutjobs go on the rampage ... when said nutjobs go on the rampage people are falling over themselves decreeing how it's only a small % who are to blame and that most muslims are decent folk ... seems that courtesy doesn't extend to your fellow countrymen ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted June 8, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted June 8, 2017 2 hours ago, tonyh29 said: that wasn't what the OP said though , unless I've misread it .. it just seemed to be blaming everything on Tory bankers .. I can possibly understand a line blaming Bankers , but they aren't Tory bankers ... That is exactly what they are. Supporters, members, financial backers, club members, cronies. The very essence of the party, with deeply vested interests. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 1 minute ago, tonyh29 said: more revisionism ... from the BEEB 2007 everyone doesn't hate each other , you've had examples in recent weeks of what people do for each other when nutjobs go on the rampage ... when said nutjobs go on the rampage people are falling over themselves decreeing how it's only a small % who are to blame and that most muslims are decent folk ... seems that courtesy doesn't extend to your fellow countrymen ? You're arguing my own experiences as revisionism? Dude, seriously. Get a grip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Just now, mjmooney said: That is exactly what they are. Supporters, members, financial backers, club members, cronies. The very essence of the party, with deeply vested interests. apart from when Blair and Brown went a courting the city , gave them light touch regulation , knighthoods to bankers , with deeply vested interests etc . they are bankers , self serving ones , not the sole preserve of any particular party , they will switch sides quicker than you can say money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 (edited) 10 minutes ago, darrenm said: You're arguing my own experiences as revisionism? Dude, seriously. Get a grip. you didn't state it was your own experience you posted " I remember the NHS being fit for purpose" .. I showed some evidence that it wasn't I guess the apology will be along shortly Edited June 8, 2017 by tonyh29 edit to get the quote right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 1 minute ago, tonyh29 said: you didn't state it was your own experience you posted " the NHS was fit for purpose" .. I showed some evidence that it wasn't I guess the apology will be along shortly I'm confused. Are you actually saying I didn't say this: I remember the NHS being fit for purpose You do realise that 'remembering' something implies it's my own experience? Don't worry about the apology, I'll let you off this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted June 8, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted June 8, 2017 5 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: apart from when Blair and Brown went a courting the city , gave them light touch regulation , knighthoods to bankers , with deeply vested interests etc . they are bankers , self serving ones , not the sole preserve of any particular party , they will switch sides quicker than you can say money Other way round. The bankers were, are, and always will be Tories. Blair could only court them by being a pseudo-Tory himself. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 8, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted June 8, 2017 47 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: it's close enough , what do I win ? Eh? Isn't that the opposite? There's an intentional double negative at the start of what you quoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Just now, darrenm said: You do realise that 'remembering' something implies it's my own experience? heck , I listened to Ash and sung "I remember the time I knew a Girl From Mars " , that doesn't make it a personal experience ... as written , alongside the other sweeping statement it just looked like reminiscing of the good old days , so if it was your own personal experience then far be it for me to doubt it , I've used the NHS this year and it was top notch , that doesn't mean that my experience is proof of it being better than it was under previous governments either ..The Beeb web link serves as an example that all wasn't rosy in the NHS under the Blair time despite the money being chucked at it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 13 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Eh? Isn't that the opposite? There's an intentional double negative at the start of what you quoted. at the fourth time of reading the quote , I got what you were saying there ... internet warrior blindness I didn't see the second Not in the original comment my bad , sorry @bobzy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 23 minutes ago, mjmooney said: Other way round. The bankers were, are, and always will be Tories. Blair could only court them by being a pseudo-Tory himself. We agree on that part at least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 On 07/06/2017 at 08:15, Demitri_C said: Shame people never listened during the EU vote Is there any evidence Murdoch ever said that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 44 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: more revisionism ... from the BEEB 2007 everyone doesn't hate each other , you've had examples in recent weeks of what people do for each other when nutjobs go on the rampage ... when said nutjobs go on the rampage people are falling over themselves decreeing how it's only a small % who are to blame and that most muslims are decent folk ... seems that courtesy doesn't extend to your fellow countrymen ? You're not seriously arguing the NHS isn't worse now than was in 2007 ? I know you're a keen Tory - But Id back off on that one if I were you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Election days are a bit like watching the FA Cup Final a couple of weeks ago, I dont like either side and dont support either by choice but to make it interesting I will pick the side I like least to support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 15 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: heck , I listened to Ash and sung "I remember the time I knew a Girl From Mars " , that doesn't make it a personal experience ... as written , alongside the other sweeping statement it just looked like reminiscing of the good old days , so if it was your own personal experience then far be it for me to doubt it , I've used the NHS this year and it was top notch , that doesn't mean that my experience is proof of it being better than it was under previous governments either ..The Beeb web link serves as an example that all wasn't rosy in the NHS under the Blair time despite the money being chucked at it It absolutely does imply a personal experience. Well done, you lasted a day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Just now, hippo said: You're not seriously arguing the NHS isn't worse now than was in 2007 ? I know you're a keen Tory - But Id back off on that one if I were you. I wasn't making that case at all I'm not a keen Tory .. I'm just not keen on Labour , Greens , Lib Dems , UKIP , SNP , the welsh one that I can't spell etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Just now, darrenm said: Well done, you lasted a day. care to explain ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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