MakemineVanilla Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Electoral Calculus are predicting a 66 seat Tory majority today. http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/gainloss.html It was 82 a few weeks ago and was 72 yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 25 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: Sure, if politics was as simple as 'fantastic campaign = win, bad campaign = lose' As with everything else in the world, it's not that black and white. Well I wonder if the opinion about this "fantastic campaign" will be revised tomorrow.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Just now, MakemineVanilla said: Electoral Calculus are predicting a 66 seat Tory majority today. http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/gainloss.html It was 82 a few weeks ago and was 72 yesterday. Interesting. Both leaders would claim success at around the 60 mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 22 minutes ago, bobzy said: I **** hate the general public. You do realise you are part of that group 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted June 8, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted June 8, 2017 There is no way China Umunna will ever be PM. It'll be a generation before another Labour government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Just now, mykeyb said: Well I wonder if the opinion about this "fantastic campaign" will be revised tomorrow.... I think people are confusing 'fantastic' with effective. To win labour needs Tories to vote labour. They aren't close to that. At best they have hoovered a few lib dem and UKIP voters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Just now, mykeyb said: You do realise you are part of that group Yup. The "general" vote will be for a Conservative government. The reasoning from this forum of those voting Conservative (small selection) and my mates voting Conservative (small selection) is based on "Corbyn", "they aren't Labour". Nothing about what the Conservatives will do or what they like about the Conservatives. It's pathetic. It's the general public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 3 minutes ago, Chindie said: There is no way China Umunna will ever be PM. It'll be a generation before another Labour government. I don't disagree - but he'd be (in my opinion, from what I've seen) a good candidate to lead that party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colhint Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 4 minutes ago, bobzy said: It's interesting that so many anti-Labour people have entrenched views on events that happened in completely different times, approximately 40 years ago, under different people. Why don't people care about what the parties are saying they will do? Baffling. It's a bit like Steve Bruce buying Joey Barton and saying Joey wont be a thug he's written it down in a manifesto, He wont be a thug. But most of us would believe he'll still be a thug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_c Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 I find myself singing this song on a day like today. Link Quote Raise Your Hands (If You Hate Democracy) by Jonny & The Baptists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Stevo985 Posted June 8, 2017 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted June 8, 2017 16 hours ago, mykeyb said: On the basis they aren't Labour I'm at peace with how people vote. I know who I'm voting for and I wish people would agree with me but it probably won't happen. But I do not understand the above thought process. It's a really, really shitty way of coming to a conclusion on who to vote for, imo. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 8, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted June 8, 2017 2 minutes ago, colhint said: It's a bit like Steve Bruce buying Joey Barton and saying Joey wont be a thug he's written it down in a manifesto, He wont be a thug. But most of us would believe he'll still be a thug I mean, it's absolutely nothing like that. But sure. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_c Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 11 minutes ago, bobzy said: Why don't people care about what the parties are saying they will do? Baffling. I'm going to guess, because they don't believe or trust parties to do what they say. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 (edited) 13 minutes ago, bobzy said: It's interesting that so many anti-Labour people have entrenched views on events that happened in completely different times, approximately 40 years ago, under different people. Why don't people care about what the parties are saying they will do? Baffling. Thatcher still gets blamed for everything on VT , I'd say that was more entrenched than any views on Labour but I think the use of the words "disaster" and "never been able to cost anything" are fair game for anyone who has read their Manifesto ... I'm sure there is room for an "ahh but the Tory manifesto " as well ,which is fair comment , but in the case of Corbyn it's exactly what he's saying he will do that is scaring the Bejebus out of people Edited June 8, 2017 by tonyh29 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted June 8, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted June 8, 2017 Been to the polling station this morning. I normally don't vote, as I find myself sounding exactly like the moderator in this sketch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 1 minute ago, tonyh29 said: Thatcher still gets blamed for everything on VT , I'd say that was more entrenched than any views on Labour but I think the use of the words "disaster" and "never been able to cost anything" are fair game for anyone who has read their Manifesto ... I'm sure there is room for an "ahh but the Tory manifesto " as well ,which is fair comment , but in the case of Corbyn it's exactly what he's saying he will do that is scaring the Bejebus out of people I hate educated, healthy people too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 5 minutes ago, colhint said: It's a bit like Steve Bruce buying Joey Barton and saying Joey wont be a thug he's written it down in a manifesto, He wont be a thug. But most of us would believe he'll still be a thug No... no it's not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 4 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: Thatcher still gets blamed for everything on VT , I'd say that was more entrenched than any views on Labour Missed this, actually. I'm not not voting for the Conservatives because of Thatcher. Herein lies the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 one thing that needs to change pronto, is FPTP. The idea of a safe seat regardless of colour is just so intrinsically anti-democratic and exclusionary in its make up, I actually find it absurd we still have it today, not to mention the problem of having the same vote to elect a local representative, yet is marketed ubiquitously as a judgement on who is prime minister. If we accept we'll always focus on a leader of some sort, then let that leader have their own election. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 21 minutes ago, bobzy said: It's interesting that so many anti-Conservative people have entrenched views on events that happened in completely different times, approximately 40 years ago, under different people. Why don't people care about what the parties are saying they will do? Baffling. Flip side of your coin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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