sir_gary_cahill Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 6 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: No, I expect him to be eased back in with substitute appearances, exactly the way it's been happening. Exactly. If they've decided the best way to reintroduce Kodjia is the way they're doing it right now, don't you think that it probably is the best way? I mean it's literally their job to know that. Whereas we are all just mongs on a football forum. I'm sure they know better than us. That may be so eventually (and forgive me for being a little less enthused than you, given your track record ) but the suggestion that they are all ready NOW and if Bruce paid attention to reserve games they'd be playing is, again, twaddle imo. The ones that are good enough have had their chances. Green has played until his injury, Davis has played semi regularly, RHM has had game time, as has O'Hare. If any of them were good enough to command a first team place regularly, like Green, then they would. Agreed entirely apart from that RHM has had game time, he made his debut 3 years ago now and has been injured a lot since. If he was fit, the football club would benefit. O'Hare is a very talented footballer with a bright future in the game. Green is a special talent, if he was fit, he'd be in my first XI. Suliman, Clark and Bedeau all have a chance of making it here in my opinion, they are outstanding talents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted April 4, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted April 4, 2018 12 minutes ago, sir_gary_cahill said: Agreed entirely apart from that RHM has had game time, he made his debut 3 years ago now and has been injured a lot since. If he was fit, the football club would benefit. O'Hare is a very talented footballer with a bright future in the game. Green is a special talent, if he was fit, he'd be in my first XI. Suliman, Clark and Bedeau all have a chance of making it here in my opinion, they are outstanding talents I don't really disagree with any of this. And I don't think Steve Bruce does either. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 7 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: I don't really disagree with any of this. And I don't think Steve Bruce does either. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osmark86 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 can only agree with Stevo here. I think we have a roster of talented youngsters with a, potentially, bright future at this club. however I think that the approach the staff is reintroducing Kodija is very appropriate. worst thing that could happen now is that he wears it out and gets injured again when he could mean the difference between promotion and total utter doom. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 In danger of wandering off topic, but very quickly the idea Bruce pays no attention to what is going on the U23 team doesn't pass the laugh test. He played youngsters in the early rounds of the cup (sometimes in preference to out-of-favour seniors), and has regularly talked-up the clubs youth prospects in interviews. He has placed a huge amount of trust in Davis especially this season - had he even made his debut twelve months ago? - and brought on RHM (stupidly, but there it is) as his first roll of the dice at Bolton. It's just absolute nonsense. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dn1982 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 2 hours ago, Stevo985 said: Firstly the suggestion that Kodjia needs three 90 minute reserve game matches before he can make the first team is twaddle. It sounds like the kind of thing just made up to have a dig at the manager. I'm not sure the poster in question knows better than our manager, and coaches, and medical staff. I'd be more inclined to believe them if they think Kodjia is ready. Secondly the insinuation that Bruce pays no attention to reserve games, and if he did we'd suddenly see loads of kids making the first team is also twaddle, imo. The suggestion is that all these kids are brilliant and should all be in the team if Bruce noticed them. Do we really think that the reason the kids don't make the team is because Bruce ignores reserve games? Like if you really think about it, does anyone actually believe that? Or could it be that they're not good enough? To me it's a lazy criticism. Someone decided that Bruce doesn't like giving youth players a chance and so it gets brought out at every opportunity by some. It's not actually true. Sure there might be a gem in there who would flourish if we threw them into the first team, but in general they're not good enough or not ready. So yeah. That's why it's twaddle. Our kids are smashing it at a reserve level yet apart a fleeting sub appearance by RHM none get a look in. It’s not a lazy criticism it’s a fact. They may not be good enough but you tend to only find these things out by trying them. I’ve seen nothing in Onomah or Axel that our kids haven’t got apart from size. I never said Kodija needed 3 reserve games before coming back just that I believe he’d benefit more from playing 90 min games than just getting 20 min here and there. That’s how players used to come back from injuries and how most clubs do it. He looked better last night but looked awful v Hull Bruce rushed him back on to the bench then and when we lost control of the game he threw him on and hoped for some magic. Kodija is coming back from a 2 nd broken leg and that’s will affect him mentally playing in games without much on could help that but you think the sun shines out of Bruce’s arse so let’s hope we get a sun tan in May. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 10 minutes ago, dn1982 said: Our kids are smashing it at a reserve level yet apart a fleeting sub appearance by RHM none get a look in. It’s not a lazy criticism it’s a fact. Keinan Davis. 10 minutes ago, dn1982 said: Kodija is coming back from a 2 nd broken leg Ankle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 5 hours ago, KSV said: So unlucky not to score. He played pretty well.. put in some decent crosses from the left too. Much prefer him in the wide left role than through the middle. But Kodjia anywhere is a massive boost for us. I agree He has the body movement and dribbling skills to be a threat from anywhere around the box.....just ring rusty......SB is doing the right thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dn1982 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 1 hour ago, HanoiVillan said: Keinan Davis. Ankle. Davis was the only fit striker so no other option and look how he fared? That proves my point that you can trust the kids more. Leg or ankle the point is still valid. Maybe more so seeing the sort of player Kodija is and the pressure he exerts on his ankle with his twists and turns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted April 4, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted April 4, 2018 1 hour ago, dn1982 said: Our kids are smashing it at a reserve level yet apart a fleeting sub appearance by RHM none get a look in. It’s not a lazy criticism it’s a fact. They may not be good enough but you tend to only find these things out by trying them. Or by seeing them train and play reserve games and deciding based on your decades of experience. I'm sure you know better though 1 hour ago, dn1982 said: I never said Kodija needed 3 reserve games before coming back just that I believe he’d benefit more from playing 90 min games than just getting 20 min here and there. That’s how players used to come back from injuries and how most clubs do it. I mean that's just not true is it? Sometimes that's how it happens. Sometimes it isn't. Depends on the player, and the injury, and the scenario. Again I'd guess that our team of professional medical staff know the best way to bring him back form injury. I'm sure you know better though 2 hours ago, dn1982 said: you think the sun shines out of Bruce’s arse Also twaddle. I've lost count of how many times I've had to explain my views on Bruce. I'm not going to do it again. Let's just say because I defend Bruce from weird, laughable criticism like your OP, doesn't mean I love the guy. I really don't love him. I think he's doing ok, that's it. I'm sure you know better though 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 52 minutes ago, dn1982 said: Davis was the only fit striker so no other option and look how he fared? That proves my point that you can trust the kids more. It doesn't, it proves that you can trust Davis more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dn1982 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 57 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Or by seeing them train and play reserve games and deciding based on your decades of experience. I'm sure you know better though I mean that's just not true is it? Sometimes that's how it happens. Sometimes it isn't. Depends on the player, and the injury, and the scenario. Again I'd guess that our team of professional medical staff know the best way to bring him back form injury. I'm sure you know better though Also twaddle. I've lost count of how many times I've had to explain my views on Bruce. I'm not going to do it again. Let's just say because I defend Bruce from weird, laughable criticism like your OP, doesn't mean I love the guy. I really don't love him. I think he's doing ok, that's it. I'm sure you know better though Twaddle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted April 4, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted April 4, 2018 1 minute ago, dn1982 said: Twaddle Fiddle Sticks (haven't a clue what the beef is here just wanted to join in with old fashioned rarely mentioned phrases) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaglint Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 I like Jonathan Kodjia because he is good at football 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troglodyte Posted April 4, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted April 4, 2018 Bunkum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TRO Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 (edited) Bloomin' Stultiloquence...... Edited April 5, 2018 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiezels Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 15 hours ago, dn1982 said: Twaddle Bobbins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post bobzy Posted April 5, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2018 18 hours ago, dn1982 said: Our kids are smashing it at a reserve level yet apart a fleeting sub appearance by RHM none get a look in. It’s not a lazy criticism it’s a fact. They're "smashing it" at second division youth level. Blackburn are currently ahead of them in that table... but aren't playing those brilliant youth players at senior level and, somehow, are top of League One. We're sat 4th in the Championship - I highly, highly doubt our youth are the difference between that and being 1st/2nd/3rd. Youth leagues are there for young players to develop and start to challenge for a first team place. I'd argue that Keinan Davis, Rushian Hepburn-Murphy, Andre Green and Callum O'Hare are basically fringe first team players. Of these players, only Keinan Davis is in his 20's. Andre Green was a first team regular before his injury setback. The notion that we don't blood youth players is just absolute nonsense. Harry Kane, one of the greatest English youth talents of his generation, aged 19, had made one Premier League appearance for Spurs. It lasted 4 mins - he came on as a sub. Slowly but surely, he developed and now look at him. I don't understand this clamour for rushing youth players into the senior team for the sake of it. Let them be a success at youth level, let them work hard for their ultimate reward and then don't jump on their backs when they don't immediately set the World alight. Jonathan Kodjia seemingly only became a regular professional footballer aged 23/24. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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