PaulC Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 35 minutes ago, Nigel said: Why would you put the cup game to one side? It was still our team. Only because it has no relevance regarding the championship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Wigan won the FA cup and got relegated. Cup games don't count 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 I'm hoping that we can get more service to him once he's fit. We need him to be like Carew was when we had Young/Downing pinging balls at him all night long. Hopefully Elmo's crosses can help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted September 8, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted September 8, 2017 1 hour ago, PaulC said: Only because it has no relevance regarding the championship But it has a massive relevance in terms of form! You cant just pick and choose competitions in any argument. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junxs Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 45 minutes ago, Nigel said: But it has a massive relevance in terms of form! You cant just pick and choose competitions in any argument. You can when both teams in the cup play a completely differeny starting XI. You may as well start counting the U23s results towards the form of the first team in that case. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czechlad Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 6 hours ago, Nigel said: This is a bit of a double edged sword for me! The emergence of Davis has redefined what we need from our forward(s) The team is stronger than last year and we need to take advantage of that, which means attacking as a unit. Can Kodge learn bring others into play? I fear his reintroduction may actually harm the team, hope Im wrong though! Davis needs to start scoring some goals. Davis is also far too inexperienced to be heavily relied on. We definitely have played better with him up top, but we have to learn how to play with Hogan and Kodjia as well. If Davis gets hurt, suspended, or just suffers from poor form, we need to have the ability to play more than one way. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan-scott Posted September 8, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted September 8, 2017 5 hours ago, rodders0223 said: The day after is the Boro cup game. If he comes through the U23 game with no issues is there any chance he makes the bench? BE LIKE A NEW SIGNING. I think it's Boro in the league on the 12th then Boro in the cup the week after? I hope so anyway, as I bought tickets for the 12th thinking it was the league game!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted September 8, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted September 8, 2017 1 hour ago, Junxs said: You can when both teams in the cup play a completely differeny starting XI. You may as well start counting the U23s results towards the form of the first team in that case. I don't get this, it's our squad, the very players we will be seeing in'the first team all season. These are also the players who are competing against kodjia for a starting berth, and doing fantastically well too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted September 8, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted September 8, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Czechlad said: Davis needs to start scoring some goals. Davis is also far too inexperienced to be heavily relied on. We definitely have played better with him up top, but we have to learn how to play with Hogan and Kodjia as well. If Davis gets hurt, suspended, or just suffers from poor form, we need to have the ability to play more than one way. If he starts to score goals he will be out number 1 striker. The thing he offers is cohesion with the midfield currently. Since we have such relatively good players this is a game changer for me. its obvious really that I'd prefer Davis to score half the goals kodjia would get if his play allowed the midfield to start scoring regularly. You are right though in that he will have dips due to his inexperience....sounds funny but I'd hope kodjia would be humble enough to learn from him and add it to his own game. Edited September 8, 2017 by Nigel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 5 hours ago, Nigel said: 9 goals in 3 games is not toothless. It took us a while to find our feet but we are a better team now! We have only scored more than one goal in a league game once, Norwich. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, VillaChris said: We have only scored more than one goal in a league game once, Norwich. That's a relief. For a scary moment there I thought there was something positive to say about Villa. Back to the unremitting negativity then, chaps! Edited September 8, 2017 by briny_ear 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junxs Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 3 hours ago, Nigel said: I don't get this, it's our squad, the very players we will be seeing in'the first team all season. These are also the players who are competing against kodjia for a starting berth, and doing fantastically well too. And the players playing in the U23s are also our squad. If that team is getting a chance in the first team in a cup game, you cant really count it towards the regular starters form guide. In any case, form is usually judged over 5 or 6 games not 3. And seeing as the cup game is 1) a completely different team playing, and 2) has no relevance to promotion - then you need to look at the league form, which is 5 points in 5 games. That is not good enough no matter how you try to dress it up. If the regulars were playing in the cup games (albeit against lower leagues reserve teams) then I may consider it differently but they just aren't. How many of those players playing against Wigan started the prior or next league games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junxs Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Had a bit of time on my hands so I went through all of Bruce's fixtures where JK was either away, inured or suspended. Not as many games as I imagined, he only missed 4 league games whilst away at AFCON and 2 at the end. anyway, here are the results: L Cardiff 0-1 L Wolves 0-1 D Preston 2-2 L Brentford 0-3 W Birmingham 1-0 D Brighton 1-1 D Hull 1-1 L Cardiff 0-3 L Reading 1-2 W Norwich 4-2 D Bristol 1-1 D Brentford 0-0 So thats 11 points from a possible 36, averaging less than a point a game which over a season would get a team relegated. Shows how important JK really is, but more importantly shows how Bruce has no real plan when he's not around, relegation would have been a real possibility had RdM not signed Kodj 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 3 minutes ago, Junxs said: Had a bit of time on my hands so I went through all of Bruce's fixtures where JK was either away, inured or suspended. Not as many games as I imagined, he only missed 4 league games whilst away at AFCON and 2 at the end. anyway, here are the results: L Cardiff 0-1 L Wolves 0-1 D Preston 2-2 L Brentford 0-3 W Birmingham 1-0 D Brighton 1-1 D Hull 1-1 L Cardiff 0-3 L Reading 1-2 W Norwich 4-2 D Bristol 1-1 D Brentford 0-0 So thats 11 points from a possible 36, averaging less than a point a game which over a season would get a team relegated. Shows how important JK really is, but more importantly shows how Bruce has no real plan when he's not around, relegation would have been a real possibility had RdM not signed Kodj Interesting post. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 You almost don't want him to come back on form, with outlandish goals, glossing over tepid team performances to prolong this nonsense. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czechlad Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 On 8/16/2017 at 13:55, Czechlad said: I looked into this, and Bruce's success at Aston Villa directly correlates to when Kodjia was fit and with the team. In January of this year, we lost Kodjia to the african cup of nations. Our form proceeded to dip hard. Kodjia came back, but if I remember right he was carrying a knock or something stalled him from jumping back into the first team so we continued to struggle. Kodjia then was fit again, and we went on a ridiculous run that made a lot of us believe we could make the playoffs. BUT then Kodjia breaks his leg, and our form falls off a cliff again. Bruce's style of play is so dependent on having a big man like Kodjia up top, so I am kind of shocked we haven't signed anyone as a back up to Kodjia. Hell, I'd even think Kozak would probably do better than Hogan in Bruce's team. I post this last month. We really are a one man team. Read my post, and you will see that with Kodjia, we can get promoted, but without him, we stand no chance at least with Bruce in charge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrjc Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 4 hours ago, Czechlad said: I post this last month. We really are a one man team. Read my post, and you will see that with Kodjia, we can get promoted, but without him, we stand no chance at least with Bruce in charge. Agree with this and @Junxs. Worryingly, it must be in Bruce's mind too. It will be his excuse for failure, and I imagine his only 'strategy' now is to get 1-0 wins with JK back in the team. Complete joke, given all the other resources 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 On 08/09/2017 at 18:59, briny_ear said: That's a relief. For a scary moment there I thought there was something positive to say about Villa. Back to the unremitting negativity then, chaps! Feel free to point out the long list of positives. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, DCJonah said: Feel free to point out the long list of positives. It's getting easier to get away from the ground after matches 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phumfeinz Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 In action for tonight's U23 game at 7pm, should be getting 45 minutes according to Bruce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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