Enda Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, StefanAVFC said: It really is. Wages aren't high, but living costs are cheap as anything. I have a comfier life here than I would in a major city, in the same job, in the UK. And it's primed to grow, just like Ireland was in the 1980s. The Poles, a great bunch of lads, as Dave O'Leary would say. Tangent: Barry Eichengreen on the future of the euro. Short version: he thinks it'll be fine. Edited to add: an excellent analysis of the implications for the NI border. It really does look inevitable that it'll be policed again. Annoying, very problematic for border towns like Newry and Derry, and ultimately extremely dangerous if e.g. economically disenfranchised young men in Derry decide they don't like that border. Edited February 7, 2017 by Enda 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted February 7, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted February 7, 2017 The Irish border thing is destined to be a mess that will bite some government of the arse a few years down the line. Every option is hopeless. It's also testament to how much of a **** Westminster gives about Northern Ireland. As for the parliamentary discussion... It's been as useful as expected. Good for proper procedure and parliamentary sovereignty, but has achieved to date the sum total of **** all else. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 17 hours ago, Chindie said: The Irish border thing is destined to be a mess that will bite some government of the arse a few years down the line. Every option is hopeless. It's also testament to how much of a **** Westminster gives about Northern Ireland. As for the parliamentary discussion... It's been as useful as expected. Good for proper procedure and parliamentary sovereignty, but has achieved to date the sum total of **** all else. I dunno, it might finally mean we see less of Diane Abbott on the telebox. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 2 minutes ago, Awol said: I dunno, it might finally mean we see less of Diane Abbott on the telebox. If that's the one benefit of Brexit, I'm in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted February 8, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) Brexit goes ahead completely and entirely unamended, EU citizens in the UK given no guarantees, Lords threatened if they dare oppose... This country is run by a parade of words removed. Edited February 8, 2017 by Chindie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingram85 Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Providing the next few years work out as I hope then I could be joining you Stefan in Poland. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) EU citizens in UK given no more guarantees than UK citizens in the EU. Good. The other side are not going to play this by Queensbury rules so leaving the fate of UK nationals to be used by EU negotiators as a blackmailing tool would be idiotic. Don't want to pay €60Bn as an exit fee? Think of your people in Europe... Self indulgent virtue signaling is not the kind of sentimental stupidity the UK negotiators can afford to engage in. Merkel had the chance to sort this months ago on a quid pro quo basis and refused. It should now be the earliest and easiest part of this thing to agree once negotiations kick off. Edited February 8, 2017 by Awol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chrisp65 Posted February 8, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted February 8, 2017 Good grief, we've shut the door on child refugees and refused to give any sort of certainty to EU citizens living and working here, both on the same day. We really do have some nasty little people in the ascendancy at the moment. We used to have some big ideals. Now apparently we'll be great again once we've scared off all the immigrants. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted February 9, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted February 9, 2017 There's one or two posters on here I'd expect to demean themselves with loaded phrases like 'virtue signaling', and AWOL wasn't one of them. Oh well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 'virtue signalling' wow, I thought they'd all moved on to 'bad dudes'. Was snowflake mentioned at all? I need snowflake to finish my right wing bullshit bingo card. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 (edited) 9 hours ago, Awol said: Merkel had the chance to sort this months ago on a quid pro quo basis and refused. It should now be the earliest and easiest part of this thing to agree once negotiations kick off. Do you want to quickly explain how Merkel has the authority to decide say, Portuguese or Belgian immigration policy towards citizens of a non-EU country, any more than she can decide how those countries treat a Chinese or Indian national? Edited February 9, 2017 by ml1dch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Also, I thought we weren't allowed to discuss any facet of the negotiations before we triggered article 50? I mean, how dare Merkel (one of 27 leaders) not guarantee our rights in Europe. Virtue signalling snowflake! As a UK resident in an EU country, I am outraged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 1 hour ago, StefanAVFC said: As a UK resident in an EU country, I am outraged I am in that particular boat also. I wonder what the rule might be, you can stay if X,Y and Z I have worked since the day I got here Jan 3rd 2001. I have a Dutch wife and a Dutch Mortgage. I have 3 Dutch step kids and a Dutch Granddaughter. I pay more income tax per month than most peoples Net figure monthly salary. Would they still kick me out ? I am applying for an Irish Passport at the moment anyway and that will be easy peezy to get I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 I wish I could get an Irish passport now my British one has become worthless. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 14 minutes ago, LondonLax said: I wish I could get an Irish passport now my British one has become worthless. Ask Jack Charlton, he'll sort you out 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 13 hours ago, Chindie said: Brexit goes ahead completely and entirely unamended, EU citizens in the UK given no guarantees, Lords threatened if they dare oppose... This country is run by a parade of words removed. "Will" of people mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 4 hours ago, Chindie said: There's one or two posters on here I'd expect to demean themselves with loaded phrases like 'virtue signaling', and AWOL wasn't one of them. Oh well. But it is such a beautifully accurate phrase to describe virtuous opinions not guaranteed to be followed by virtuous actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicho Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 As I voted remain I only see whats happening now as a farce. On one hand I think we should cut ties completely and truly decide on what kind of country we want to be. On the other taking the decision has already isolated us and made us need to cosy up to Trump. Watching PMQ this morning, more than ever we will just not give a straight answer to anything, because we dont know the answer or know the answer is screwing alot of people over and dont want to publicise it. Unfortunately the success of us going it alone seems unlikely, we are not the strong commercial naval power we once were. We have the ability and technology but need the co-operation of others to make it work, this Government will not invest in the areas needed to make it a success. I also have no faith in a Conservative Government to deliver a strong situation for the poorer among us. Part of our bargaining power will be to allow massive companies access to our public services, ultimately leading to service demise and increased cost. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 38 minutes ago, Nicho said: As I voted remain I only see whats happening now as a farce Agreed, but what happened to cause the leave vote was and always will be a farce as well or we would not be leaving ? It cannot be that the majority of the population end up with nothing left at the end of each and every month. Had this not been the case then I suspect remain would have won. The counter argument is that they will have less now, 0 x 0 = 0 anyways. Maybe they just get into more debt, I don't know but I suppose the banks would absolutely love that anyway as a form of punishment. It was totally preventable but the ruling class thought the little poor people would never have the balls to do it, they did. The hate and total contempt held for the ruling class was highlighted by the Welsh vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 14 hours ago, Ingram85 said: Providing the next few years work out as I hope then I could be joining you Stefan in Poland. Polish missus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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