Xann Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 37 minutes ago, Awol said: No, I think there's a balance to be struck between how much existing UK-EU trade will be restricted by Brexit vs the opportunities to increase trade via FTA's with other markets that are beyond Europe and actually growing. I'd rather my goods came from nearby, ta. Less transport the better. Couldn't give a monkey's whether we're trading with a growing economy. The economy can f*** itself, it's broken, why does it need to grow? It's just a bigger mess then. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Everybody understands that chasing a model of perpetual consumer lead material growth is just a suicide mission, yeah? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: Everybody understands that chasing a model of perpetual consumer lead material growth is just a suicide mission, yeah? I guess it depends on the extent and duration of the exposure. Edited January 30, 2017 by snowychap 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 24 minutes ago, snowychap said: I guess it depends on the extent and duration of the exposure. D'you know what, I've done that all day. Literally included that same spelling of that same word in two planning submissions today, even after word kindly put a blue squiggle under it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted January 31, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted January 31, 2017 Free trade and free movement within EU, but no social security or NHS access Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 As this has become a slightly wider discussion of the future of Europe, I see the police have 'raided' the French parliament investigating the Fillon accusations: Quote French police have raided the lower house of parliament in an investigation into whether the wife of the presidential candidate François Fillon was paid for an allegedly non-existent job. The unusual step, requiring authorisation of the speaker of the lower house, was carried out as part of an inquiry into the “Penelopegate” scandal. It was not immediately clear whether Fillon’s own office was being searched. Investigators are looking into possible misuse of public funds after a newspaper alleged that Fillon’s Welsh-born wife, Penelope, was paid €500,000 (£430,000) over eight years as his parliamentary assistant for work she did not perform. It is not illegal for French politicians to employ spouses or members of their family, but there is an obligation for them to carry out the job. Fillon and his wife were questioned separately for five hours on Monday by anti-corruption officers. France Inter radio suggested police were searching for her employment contracts. Fillon has said he is the victim of a smear campaign. In a French television interview, he insisted his wife’s work had been “real and legal”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enda Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 1 hour ago, tinker said: Free trade and free movement within EU, but no social security or NHS access Ms May has already said you're leaving the single market (= barriers to trade) precisely because she doesn't want free movement But aside from that, let's say I move to the UK. Happily pay my taxes, but after 3 years I get cancer. Do you expect me to move back to Ireland for treatment (where I haven't paid into the public health system)? Doesn't seem right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted January 31, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted January 31, 2017 1 hour ago, Enda said: Ms May has already said you're leaving the single market (= barriers to trade) precisely because she doesn't want free movement But aside from that, let's say I move to the UK. Happily pay my taxes, but after 3 years I get cancer. Do you expect me to move back to Ireland for treatment (where I haven't paid into the public health system)? Doesn't seem right. It's not right you can pay nothing into the system then come here and receive treatment. So it's swings and roundabouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 (edited) Can't embed it, but this speech by Clarke sums up my view far better than I could ever put it. http://bbc.in/2jQdorO I've never voted Tory in my life, and I can't imagine that I will, but I don't think there's a single serving MP that I respect as much as Ken Clarke (and I'd have said that for the last few years, it's not just because I agree with him on this). It's a fantastic speech, and one I think people will look back on in 10 years and think "why did nobody **** listen?". Edited January 31, 2017 by Davkaus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted January 31, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted January 31, 2017 Ken Clarke is about the only Tory I'd give a second listening to for any insight at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Ken Clark is what a conservative should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted February 1, 2017 Moderator Share Posted February 1, 2017 12 hours before that picture was taken he was hanging off the back of a hotel room door with an apple in his gob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted February 1, 2017 Author Moderator Share Posted February 1, 2017 2 hours ago, Dr_Pangloss said: Ken Clark is what a conservative should be. Not yet he isn't 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 4 hours ago, NurembergVillan said: 12 hours before that picture was taken he was hanging off the back of a hotel room door with an apple in his gob. We've all been there mate. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 It was never in doubt, but down the rabbit hole we go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 I'd like a referendum where the British public decide the entire fiscal plan through a single question of "should we pick from pot A or pot B" which would be about as well informed and relevant as the brexit referendum was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PompeyVillan Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 What's so tragic to me is that a large amount of people who voted leave based on immigration and 'soverienty' arguments will be deeply dissatisfied when we leave the EU and single market and they find out that the system is still rigged against them. Nah, this is tragic in my opinion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Labour are done. They deserve it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted February 1, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted February 1, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, darrenm said: I'd like a referendum where the British public decide the entire fiscal plan through a single question of "should we pick from pot A or pot B" which would be about as well informed and relevant as the brexit referendum was To me this is just so logical and should definitely happen. If people are apparently smart enough to decide if we should be in the EU or not, they should be able to vote if they think the deal is worth leaving for or not. Edited February 1, 2017 by PieFacE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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