Keinan Davis

[TRO]

5 hours ago, sparrow1988 said:

I do get it. I'm not suggesting that you're looking for players to go around injuring people. You think Burnley are more physical that us and are more willing to put in a challenge. I presented some evidence to say that they are not as physical as you think. In fact they are pretty similar to us. You didn't produce any evidence to the contrary just your opinion.

Maybe they come across as more physical because they don't engage the oppositon until 30 yards from their own box and then when they start defending it's a kind of a heroic/last ditch effort whereas our defending is more low key than theirs and actually more efficient. We have played some games with last ditch defending, the Southampton game away was a very Burnley type performance from us but let's face it we should have been beaten back up the motorway that night.

My original point was Burnley are not the example that we need to follow, even in terms of physicality. There are many better teams ahead of us in the table which would be much better examples. Liverpool, Chelsea, Everton, City, even Leeds. We should be aiming to win the ball higher up the pitch and more often. Burnley's sitting deep, "Battle of the Somme" type defending is not the way to go to achieve this.

I never spent time looking for the perfect example, what you say is correct, they are better examples to follow, my point was even lowly Burnley can do it....and I didn't say follow them, I said we can learn one aspect of their play and would serve us well.....and I still believe that.

but your "Battle of the Somme " is a ridiculous analogy, they play to their strengths, with little money to do much else...but lets no get hung up on a throw away comment....they make the most of what they have and still managed to take 4 points of us, despite battling in the relegation zone.

Edited April 26, 2021 by TRO

[brummybloke]

Davis needs to be given the last 25 minutes of each game remaining although I can see him starting against Everton for some reason.

The aggression and willingness to battle and chase in the top half starts and ends with ollie if davis isn't on the pitch but I don't think he would be effective over a whole game and would run out of steam so using his strengths towards the end of a game I feel would be better use of his skill set this season.

But would rather him on than Berkley or traore as he is far more of a team player and willing to do the ugly stuff.

[WooJung]

2 hours ago, brummybloke said:

Davis needs to be given the last 25 minutes of each game remaining although I can see him starting against Everton for some reason.

The aggression and willingness to battle and chase in the top half starts and ends with ollie if davis isn't on the pitch but I don't think he would be effective over a whole game and would run out of steam so using his strengths towards the end of a game I feel would be better use of his skill set this season.

But would rather him on than Berkley or traore as he is far more of a team player and willing to do the ugly stuff.

Weather we are chasing or defending a game in most cases it will make sense to bring him on, his physicality against tired legs can be key. If we are chasing a game he creates lots of space for others, if we are defending he's added height on set pieces and his hold up play can relieve the team from a lot of pressure. 

[tinker]

I think he should start and Watkins should play on the left side (while Jacks out) with freedom to roam. 

[vreitti]

Could it be that Smith is unwilling to start Davis, because he doesn't want to put too much pressure on him? He had an extended run before in the championship, that might have had a detrimental effect on his confidence. 

It could also be that Davis just isn't exactly ideal for the way Smith wants us to play. Which in fairness seems like the more likely alternative. Anyways, I hope Davis gets a little more minutes now. 

 

 

[osmark86]

With the rest of the team struggling and mostly out of form I wouldn't mind seeing him get more minutes. Not convinced by him but by Zeus he has deserved it after a couple of game changing appearances.

[Big Salad]

I think the kid has earned a starting spot next game.Probably not going to happen but deserves it imo never the less.

Europe is gone for me at least so might as well give him a chance.

Nothing to lose.

[Dave-R]

Has had one goal for past two seasons if not longer given the championship and everyone flapping there chicken wings and going nuts over the guy that he's this long lost goal scorer that's suddenly been found.

I'm happy the goal finally grabbed his goal but let not pretend that the guy has severely struggled to score. Sure I'm hoping he becomes a regular scorer now and finds a killer instinct he's been lacking, he needs it and it would be ace for the club if he found himself at last.

Davis certainly deserved more time, he's had an affect on a couple of games recently and that's ace for us.

But now he's scored it's all come back on him the expectations have and what everyone will expect him to do which is to pop goals in and the moment he doesn't then everyone's going to slaughter him on media.

I wish him the best of luck but he's a player that hasn't had it really good here and to be fair I'm still not sure he will be here for another contract extension, he may get one more now just to prove himself if he's lucky.

He just needs to churn the goals out, here hoping he does.

[Dave-R]

4 minutes ago, Big Salad said:

I think the kid has earned a starting spot next game.Probably not going to happen but deserves it imo never the less.

Europe is gone for me at least so might as well give him a chance.

Nothing to lose.

I agree Europe is gone and I also agree that you may as well use this remainder of the season to give all those who we can possibly bring in next season and good run to prepare for it. We could have a few youths prepared, Davis given a good run, let some of our first teams have a good well earned rest.

You could just officially end our season early and just say look what ever the points are now so be it, let's just see how some players do that could hopefully make starts next season and give us more strength for a decent full on charge at Europe.

[osmark86]

12 hours ago, Dave-R said:

Has had one goal for past two seasons if not longer given the championship and everyone flapping there chicken wings and going nuts over the guy that he's this long lost goal scorer that's suddenly been found.

I'm happy the goal finally grabbed his goal but let not pretend that the guy has severely struggled to score. Sure I'm hoping he becomes a regular scorer now and finds a killer instinct he's been lacking, he needs it and it would be ace for the club if he found himself at last.

Davis certainly deserved more time, he's had an affect on a couple of games recently and that's ace for us.

But now he's scored it's all come back on him the expectations have and what everyone will expect him to do which is to pop goals in and the moment he doesn't then everyone's going to slaughter him on media.

I wish him the best of luck but he's a player that hasn't had it really good here and to be fair I'm still not sure he will be here for another contract extension, he may get one more now just to prove himself if he's lucky.

He just needs to churn the goals out, here hoping he does.

I'm not expecting much from him at all personally. I do however think he's been excellent in his little cameos and surprised me. I believe that garners an opportunity to maybe start or at least get more minutes in upcoming games for him. Especially considering we don't have that much to play for in the remaining games other than trying to finish as high as we can. If he plays poor again (which wouldn't surprise me too much either) then he will be dropped again.

[villalad21]

It's a shame we have such hard fixtures coming up where we'll not see much of the ball.

Can't see Keinan featuring much tbh

[Vive_La_Villa]

2 hours ago, villalad21 said:

It's a shame we have such hard fixtures coming up where we'll not see much of the ball.

Can't see Keinan featuring much tbh

Whilst it’s something you probably don’t want to hear we actually have better possession stats then Everton and Palace and are just slightly below Spurs although I we saw the ball more than they did when we played them.  United and Chelsea’s are a lot higher. 
 

So yeh, 2 games out of 6 where we’ll not see much of the ball. Such a shame.

Edited April 27, 2021 by Vive_La_Villa

[lexicon]

13 hours ago, Vive_La_Villa said:

Whilst it’s something you probably don’t want to hear we actually have better possession stats then Everton and Palace and are just slightly below Spurs although I we saw the ball more than they did when we played them.  United and Chelsea’s are a lot higher. 
 

So yeh, 2 games out of 6 where we’ll not see much of the ball. Such a shame.

He's trying to be insightful VLV - try to be supportive. Law of averages/the stopped clock rule would suggest he might get something right sometime. 

[blandy]

On 22/04/2021 at 01:17, nick76 said:

 I know what you are trying to say but I think you are clinging to a miracle when at the moment they are just a bunch of turds swimming around.  I think just something is missing over and above the quality we need to buy in the summer.  Confidence is down, form is down, probably knackered and injuries in there.  I think it’s more than a player being 10 metres in a different position than he current is.

 I thought the win over Fulham would give a confidence boost but didn’t.  I still think things can change because I’ve seen too many teams change form dramatically that maybe in can happen to us.  A win sets us on a run or something.  A deflected goal, an undeserved victory.  Who knows!

Yes. It's (for me) worth noting that we have a small pool of decent players, enough to make a good first 11 that could potentially finish around 6-8th given no injuries, no loss of form, no suspensions etc. However we don't have the squad strength to rotate. So basically the same players (when fit) play all the games for us. Other sides are able, even with more games (Europe, Cups) able to share the burden around, so the players generally haven't played as many games each. Add in our Covid outbreak, and then injury (Jack) and the likes of McGinn playing extra games for Scotland and fatigue is a big part of it. It's not just affecting Villa, but IMO people need to understand that the circumstances are exceptional this season and not get too fixated on the recent form. There are specific reasons for it that are unlikely to be repeated in a "normal" season.

[TRO]

On 26/04/2021 at 21:43, WooJung said:

Weather we are chasing or defending a game in most cases it will make sense to bring him on, his physicality against tired legs can be key. If we are chasing a game he creates lots of space for others, if we are defending he's added height on set pieces and his hold up play can relieve the team from a lot of pressure. 

I agree.

I don't think anyone other than Keinan, would have scored that goal, it was a Burnleyesque......Wood, Rodriguez or Barnes, would be reminiscent of that, even Vardy with his tenacity.

I am more pleased, with HOW Keinan scored that than anything else.

I talk sometimes of us being short of weapons, like a long throw, or blistering pace or a set piece specialist, or a prolific header.......That qualified for a weapon, in my eyes, the sheer determination, aggression and alertness to the situation.

very pleased for the boy.

Edited April 28, 2021 by TRO

[bannedfromHandV]

I think he seems to have learned from Ollie in terms of pressing and closing down defenders, as pointed out though would be interesting to see how he fares as a starter because it’s easier to chase people down when you’re coming in after 80 minutes.

[TRO]

Not sure, he should start, but he deserves half a game.

[Mjvilla]

1 hour ago, TRO said:

I don't think anyone other than Keinan, would have scored that goal, it was a Burnleyesque......Wood, Rodriguez or Barnes, would be reminiscent of that, even Vardy with his tenacity.

I am more pleased, with HOW Keinan scored that than anything else.

I talk sometimes of us being short of weapons, like a long throw, or blistering pace or a set piece specialist, or a prolific header.......That qualified for a weapon, in my eyes, the sheer determination, aggression and alertness to the situation.

very pleased for the boy.

It was bloody god damn awful defending is what it was. He ran past 3 defenders to get a foot on the ball.

A weapon is something you can rely on throughout the course of a season, you cannot rely on 3 defenders switching off in 1 move throughout the course of a season. 

When Watkins wins the header, he isnt close enough to Watkins, for me. He should have been busting a gut to get into that area the ball drops before he does, or even be in that area hassling the defenders already. That natural instinct as to where he should be is why he isn't and won't be a regular scorer.

He took it really well, but the 2 other chances we created for him before that, he couldn't finish. One of which, the one where he turned the defender, I'd expect a premier league striker to finish. 

 

[TRO]

1 hour ago, Mjvilla said:

It was bloody god damn awful defending is what it was. He ran past 3 defenders to get a foot on the ball.

A weapon is something you can rely on throughout the course of a season, you cannot rely on 3 defenders switching off in 1 move throughout the course of a season. 

When Watkins wins the header, he isnt close enough to Watkins, for me. He should have been busting a gut to get into that area the ball drops before he does, or even be in that area hassling the defenders already. That natural instinct as to where he should be is why he isn't and won't be a regular scorer.

He took it really well, but the 2 other chances we created for him before that, he couldn't finish. One of which, the one where he turned the defender, I'd expect a premier league striker to finish. 

 

It was poor defending, but someone had to have the initiative to exploit it.....Keinan did.....I have seen those situations go unchallenged.... a bit disingenuous to just blame poor defending imo.

so you disagree on the description, hey ho.......He siezed the opportunity, I have seen us miss and other teams size.....just glad one of our guys did it for a change and credit it to him.....we had players in the past who used that initiative too.

and its this initiative that impressed me.....one goal or not.

we should do more of it.

Edited April 28, 2021 by TRO

[Dave-R]

1 hour ago, bannedfromHandV said:

I think he seems to have learned from Ollie in terms of pressing and closing down defenders, as pointed out though would be interesting to see how he fares as a starter because it’s easier to chase people down when you’re coming in after 80 minutes.

That would be great if he has, if he can learn a few things from Ollie then good on him for picking a few tricks up, it only helps the club out.