DamsonwoodVillan Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 I agree, players like Amavi and Chery are in a good position as age and a decent reputation is on their side. If Villa want to compete we will have to outbid our rivals. Nothing so much wrong with this, I believe clubs like Swansea and Stoke have done it and that is how they have overtaken clubs like us and Newcastle at present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillanousOne Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 When you are in the position Villa are in sometimes you will have to pay a little bit more than other clubs to get good players. better than spanking millions on donkeys like Harewood just because they scored some goals against you the MON era saw us overpay for virtually every player, mainly because we kept buying overrated British players. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-Reacho Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 The Harewood signing was particularly devastating because the speculation for most of the summer had been about Wesley Snjeider and Jose Boswinga signing. It was the worst O'Neill signing - West Ham knew we were loaded, must have been chuckling away to themselves when it completed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 what a summer spree that was. NRC, Harewood, Davies, Knight, Carson and Salifou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 I officially turned on MON the day he thought Heskey would help see us over the line for fourth. Knew there and then that he narrow-minded fool and that was as good as it was going to get. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 Didn't we pay something like £8m for Warnock as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdomlahor Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 Harewood was the GOAT. I loved the man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabby Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 Didn't we pay something like £8m for Warnock as well? Yup same on Luke Young as I recall as well ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 (edited) £9m feels a lot for a fullback given our position, but then, when you put it into the context of the new TV money and the sheer amount we've wasted on left backs over the past 4 years, £9m isn't too bad as long as we're getting it right this time. Edited July 5, 2015 by Dr_Pangloss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimzk5 Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 (edited) Didn't we pay something like £8m for Warnock as well? £7.5, which tbh was a decent price, capped by England, rated by Liverpool, went to Blackburn and was very good and sold to us, and he did start well enough for us. Like many of that Mon built team, you can pinpoint the fall from grace as the day we lost the cup final to man Utd. A large majority of the team, particularly the defense was never the same. Since warnock we've spent what, 8 million on punts that have not worked out. Id rather we just spend a few more quid and buy this amavi Edited July 5, 2015 by Jimzk5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Condimentalist Posted July 5, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted July 5, 2015 £9m feels a lot for a fullback given our position, but then, when you put it into the context of the new TV money and the sheer amount we've wasted on left backs over the past 4 years, £9m isn't too bad as long as we're getting it right this time. Absolutely. It's also a bit of a false economy. We won't make our money back on Bennett, Luna and Cissokho, so they are a net loss as well as being poor players who have contributed to poor seasons. Someone like Benteke on the other hand cost £7m but has kept us in the league twice and we'll probably make £25m profit on him. Of our other higher value signings, Kozak would probably retain his value at £5m (although no-one will buy him until they've seen if he has recovered from injury), Okore would be worth more than the £4m we paid. Even Delph, which was a bit of a gamble at £7m a few years ago, would now be worth £20m and up on the open market. What we can't be doing in our position is signing over the hill players on big wages (the Givens, Dunnes, N'Zogbias of this world). They have no resale value and they're quite often lacking in motivation. Amavi and Gueye might be costing a bit more than we've spent of late but they have established reputations and the likes of Arsenal have been linked with both of them. They're young, talented and they will retain their value - we may even sell them for a profit down the line. Either way we are also likely to be signing better players which means a better side, a better 'brand', more sponsorship money, and less risk of relegation. You have to speculate to accumulate in this game. I understand that we had to reign in from the excesses of the MON era but really the way we have been run for the last 4 years is bad business as well as bad football. It's a miracle we didn't go down - let's hope this is the beginning of a different era now, takeover or otherwise. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limvillian Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 Didn't we pay something like £8m for Warnock as well? Yup same on Luke Young as I recall as well ...pretty sure Luke Young was £5m . could have been signed a season earlier for about £2m though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 Shorey at 6m was a ridiculous one aswell, I never rated him much at Reading and my first viewings of him here were he was just too lightweight and weak to be an LB and never got him. As much as the whole MON net spend thing has been done to death, there can't be too many managers that have been given permission by boards to sign new back 4s three summers running. From 2007-09 Zat Knight, Curtis Davies, Nicky Shorey, Luke Young, Carlos Cuellar, Stephen Warnock, Habib Beye, Richard Dunne and James Collins were all signed. 9 defenders within two years. Carson, Guzan and Friedel also came in that period aswell. We did finally have a very good defensive set up in 09/10 although helped a lot I think by very clever defensive nous from Petrov and also Milner's energy. And we saw it quickly disintegrated the next season so not a long term legacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 Has anyone seen amavi play? He looks an exciting talent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-Reacho Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 I officially turned on MON the day he thought Heskey would help see us over the line for fourth. Knew there and then that he narrow-minded fool and that was as good as it was going to get. Carew and Heskey up front together for a few games on the season's run in was utterly depressing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 £9m feels a lot for a fullback given our position, but then, when you put it into the context of the new TV money and the sheer amount we've wasted on left backs over the past 4 years, £9m isn't too bad as long as we're getting it right this time. Let's not rule out that it may really be nine million in euros. But even if not, if any position required a major signing it is left-back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 Lot of talk here like its a done deal? Have I missed something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody1000 Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 If we can sign him, it's exactly the sort of player we should be signing. Pay £10m, keep them for 1 or 2 seasons, sell them for a big profit (eg £25m) while having reaped the rewards of that player's good form that has earned said transfer. Buy next one for £10m-£15m. That's how you progress in a realistic way that abides by FFP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillanousOne Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 Lot of talk here like its a done deal? Have I missed something? Nope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 Lot of talk here like its a done deal? Have I missed something? Nope Didn't think so. Let's wait until this happens before getting too excited. A lot of big teams are looking at this player after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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