Stevo985 Posted May 25, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted May 25, 2016 1 hour ago, Demitri_C said: so we pay 10m for him but put a 7m release fee in there, another masterstroke from tom fox useless imbecile, should have put at least 10m in there what we paid But then he wouldn't have signed. HOW DO PEOPLE STILL NOT GET THIS?!?!?! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midian Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Id hope he stayed next could be a too player in the Championship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 3 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: But then he wouldn't have signed. HOW DO PEOPLE STILL NOT GET THIS?!?!?! It still makes terrible business sense though. That's £3m pissed away in less than a year just because. Would much rather they offered him £3m in bonus payments over the year than let him walk for so much of a loss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 3 minutes ago, Duck said: It still makes terrible business sense though. That's £3m pissed away in less than a year just because. Would much rather they offered him £3m in bonus payments over the year than let him walk for so much of a loss I think it's likely due to relegation and probably works out alright - worth £10m in the Prem but £7m in the Championship seems a fair step. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted May 25, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted May 25, 2016 14 minutes ago, Duck said: It still makes terrible business sense though. That's £3m pissed away in less than a year just because. Would much rather they offered him £3m in bonus payments over the year than let him walk for so much of a loss Yup it will only be £7m in case of relegation. Had we stayed up the clause could be nearer £15m or something (or no clause at all) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 29 minutes ago, PieFacE said: Yup it will only be £7m in case of relegation. Had we stayed up the clause could be nearer £15m or something (or no clause at all) Would still rather do away with these release clauses together though. We always seem to come off worse by them and there's no real incentive for us to put them into contracts aside from player requests. Just sad to see another half decent prospect able to leave for a loss, while we get stuck with the dross year on year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 15 minutes ago, Duck said: Would still rather do away with these release clauses together though. We always seem to come off worse by them and there's no real incentive for us to put them into contracts aside from player requests. Just sad to see another half decent prospect able to leave for a loss, while we get stuck with the dross year on year I'd rather have a release clause in there than be stuck with a guy on huge wages that we can't sell, for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted May 25, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted May 25, 2016 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Duck said: Would still rather do away with these release clauses together though. We always seem to come off worse by them and there's no real incentive for us to put them into contracts aside from player requests. Just sad to see another half decent prospect able to leave for a loss, while we get stuck with the dross year on year Yeah but if you don't include them then the player wouldn't sign. It will have come from the player and his agent, not the club. I'm sure the club put a clause in there for a wage cut if we do get relegated, it's only fair that the player puts a clause in there for himself too in case we do get relegated. Edited May 25, 2016 by PieFacE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 1 hour ago, Stevo985 said: But then he wouldn't have signed. HOW DO PEOPLE STILL NOT GET THIS?!?!?! Then move on to next one! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 If I was negotiating signing a player and release clauses were mentioned I would kick him and the agent out the **** door. Little wonder we have a team of weak willed, mercenary no hopers. Bunch of arseholes the lot of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted May 25, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted May 25, 2016 7 minutes ago, rodders0223 said: If I was negotiating signing a player and release clauses were mentioned I would kick him and the agent out the **** door. Little wonder we have a team of weak willed, mercenary no hopers. Bunch of arseholes the lot of them. Agreed. And hopefully if Tony fulfills his vision, we'll never be in such a weak negotiating position again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Ultimately though if players who stay are going to have to take wage reductions with relegation, it's logical the agent would negotiate some insurance on the players terms. As I've said before I'd imagine most of the players who signed last summer would have some sort of get out clause. I think people are optimistic that we'd get as much for these players as we signed them for last season. Some of them have played significant parts in one of the worst performing top division teams for a long while so that will knock value down. Clark for 5m, Gana for 7m and Ayew will probably go for about 8m I reckon. So that's 20m on top of how much the Doctor gives the new manager so we could be comfortably talking about a 40m spending budget for the championship. Something would be seriously wrong at the club if we can't challenge top 2 with that budget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Yes but if we are going to have a massive turnaround in players it will take the team time to gel so I think top 2 is slightly optimistic. I'd settle for the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP1982 Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 7 hours ago, rodders0223 said: If I was negotiating signing a player and release clauses were mentioned I would kick him and the agent out the **** door. Little wonder we have a team of weak willed, mercenary no hopers. Bunch of arseholes the lot of them. I get it and I too don't want anyone that isn't 100% committed, especially you'd hope when first joining the club. However, as has been already said, if we are going to introduce to negotiations 'if we get relegated' then I can't blame players who also want to protect their careers, should relegation happen, assuming of course this is the case. Although relegation clauses are understandable, an thank god we put them in, I can't help but think that it must bring an air of negativity when trying to sell the club to prospective players and would imagine we brought the what ifs to the table and not gueye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 dont think he will go marseille, they have big financial problems at the moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 2 hours ago, Demitri_C said: dont think he will go marseille, they have big financial problems at the moment They wouldn't pay 7m, would take him on loan like they did with the Newcastle player they took back. Marseille though are a massive draw for French and African players so I could see him at that club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 I'd see it pointless loaning him he doesn't want to be here. Sell and replace him in my eyes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferguson1 Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 13 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: I'd see it pointless loaning him he doesn't want to be here. Sell and replace him in my eyes Have to agree here, seeing several players go out on loan is just annoying. If players don't want to play for us and help us get back, then get rid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calcifer Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 What would the point of loaning him be? If he doesn't want to stay sell him! We can use that money to find a replacement! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 On 5/25/2016 at 13:47, rodders0223 said: If I was negotiating signing a player and release clauses were mentioned I would kick him and the agent out the **** door. Little wonder we have a team of weak willed, mercenary no hopers. Bunch of arseholes the lot of them. I'm sure even the strongest of teams have several clauses written into players contracts. The only difference would be amounts and circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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