The Tim Sherwood Thread

[useless]

Well if Randy wanted Sherwood to stay then Fox wouldn't have much say in the matter. Hopefully Lerner is leaving the decision up to Fox.

Lerner is daft, but he's not that daft, especially when it comes to his own money.

Well if Lerner doesn't want him to stay then Sherwood should be out of a job anytime now. I was really hoping for an announcement today.

Why are you so hot on Rodgers? His record was flattered by Suarez. What's so good about him?

The other day, you liked a post I made suggesting Rodgers as a replacement.

He's just someone who could get us playing entertaining football and also develop a footballing philosophy. He's done well in the past with both Swansea and Liverpool, and of course he has experience of the league, which isn't the be all and end all but still pretty useful. I'd be very surprised if Fox doesn't make some sort of enquiry behind the scenes.

Fair enough. Note: I like stuff all the time I disagree with. I love it when people take interesting and provocative positions, and I have always appreciated your perspective here. One of the first things I noticed on this board was your stubbornness about Lambert. I thought you were crazy. But the more I read -- and the more I looked at your awesome music selections in Off-Topic -- the more I started to see that you made some great points, and we needed someone to hold your positions so add to the diversity of opinion here.

I'm glad you like some of the music I post, but I don't think there's anything provocative about me thinking Rodgers would be a decent manager for us. He's widely regarded as a good young manager and if we did manage to get him, then I think it would be portrayed as a bit of a coup in the media.

[Marka Ragnos]

Why wait? The bloke is a joke, the football is embarrassing and the results are going to see us relegated. I don't want to wait till Xmas, wait till Spurs or Swansea, I want him gone now. I know I keep banging on about the international break, but there is a reason that both Plop and Sunderland have acted today, Its the perfect time. If he isn't sacked in the next few days I would worry that maybe the club have no intention of pulling the trigger at all.

I mean, there is also the possibility he could start winning games, too, right? If slim?

[pacbuddies]

I think Sherwood will get until the Everton game. If there's no sign that the team's improvements will lead to more goals and more wins, I think that's the end for him -- and rightly so. I still think it's an eency weency bit early. For me, the only big issue has been his subs and some of the starting lineups, yet of course those are huge.  I wouldn't look for "management firing fever" to have a role in the decision. 

What makes you think we're improving?

We won our first game and we've lost 6 out of 7 since then.

@Stefan, is there anything anyone could say to convince you of this? I sort of doubt it. As I've said, I think we're playing more fluidly, with sometimes great pace, and the our players are showing more situational awareness of one another. They're playing more like a team. It ain't perfect. I don't think the whole ship is ready to sail, and there are worrying leaks. I also think Tim's subs have messed things up often -- maddeningly so, at times. But I think the players are getting better as a group, and I'm certain Tim has something to do with that.

I have a sneaking suspicion you're going to think what I just wrote is total bollocks. [emoji3]

 

 

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Yep

Stefan, I feel I am lucky to have you think of me at all. If you keep doing that, I'm going to start thinking that my subtance-to-bollocks % is slowly improving. [emoji6] I know I have a long way to go!

I read it. And I wish I had your optimism. But for me, we've lost 6 out of last 8 games. We won our only game on the first day of the season. There is no way we're improving.

The results are terrible but I think the team is starting to be more aware of how each other plays.  Our main problem is creating enough of an attacking threat IMO (despite obvious defensive lapses), even though we've scored a fair amount of goals this season.  Teams can sit deep against us and we're currently not able to break them down.  The West Brom and Stoke games were classic examples.  I don't think either side ran us ragged, but they were "good enough" to get victories.

Our biggest problem seems to be not knowing our best starting lineup.  Another manager coming in would only tinker with this further - maybe for the better, of course.  I'd rather see us as a settled team before deciding Sherwood is the overriding problem.  In the same breath, if he was sacked, I wouldn't be overly fussed.  We all just want to see the team win.

I really don't think we have scored a fair amount of goals this season. An average of 1 goal per game is pretty crap and we have failed to score in 3 out of 8.

[Marka Ragnos]

Well if Randy wanted Sherwood to stay then Fox wouldn't have much say in the matter. Hopefully Lerner is leaving the decision up to Fox.

Lerner is daft, but he's not that daft, especially when it comes to his own money.

Well if Lerner doesn't want him to stay then Sherwood should be out of a job anytime now. I was really hoping for an announcement today.

Why are you so hot on Rodgers? His record was flattered by Suarez. What's so good about him?

The other day, you liked a post I made suggesting Rodgers as a replacement.

He's just someone who could get us playing entertaining football and also develop a footballing philosophy. He's done well in the past with both Swansea and Liverpool, and of course he has experience of the league, which isn't the be all and end all but still pretty useful. I'd be very surprised if Fox doesn't make some sort of enquiry behind the scenes.

Fair enough. Note: I like stuff all the time I disagree with. I love it when people take interesting and provocative positions, and I have always appreciated your perspective here. One of the first things I noticed on this board was your stubbornness about Lambert. I thought you were crazy. But the more I read -- and the more I looked at your awesome music selections in Off-Topic -- the more I started to see that you made some great points, and we needed someone to hold your positions so add to the diversity of opinion here.

I'm glad you like some of the music I post, but I don't think there's anything provocative about me thinking Rodgers would be a decent manager for us. He's widely regarded as a good young manager and if we did manage to get him, then I think it would be portrayed as a bit of a coup in the media.

Useless, I don't remember the post I liked, tbh. No, I don't think it's provocative on its face. Truth be told, my feelings on Rodgers have changed a lot in the last three weeks. I used to like him but I don't now. It's more of a personality thing, so I don't take my own feelings that seriously on the subject. But I hear what you're saying here. Yeah, but the media is a little less sweet on Rodgers lately. And the fact is, many would say that he failed at L'Pool ultimately.

Edited October 4, 2015 by Plastic Man

[El Zen]

We could do a lot worse than Rodgers. I think he's a an arrogant prick, don't get me wrong, but he seems to have at least the slightest idea how to be a football manager. Right now, our current manager seems unable to organize his own sock drawer, let alone a squad of PL footballers. 

Edited October 4, 2015 by Michelsen

[dudevillaisnice]

Options are available now.

Surely we will take action.

[Marka Ragnos]

Shite -- I gotta go and get some work done lol. Can't believe I let myself sucked into this thread again. I knew I shouldn't have looked!!!!  See you lads tomorrow! 

[Guest av1]

Why wait? The bloke is a joke, the football is embarrassing and the results are going to see us relegated. I don't want to wait till Xmas, wait till Spurs or Swansea, I want him gone now. I know I keep banging on about the international break, but there is a reason that both Plop and Sunderland have acted today, Its the perfect time. If he isn't sacked in the next few days I would worry that maybe the club have no intention of pulling the trigger at all.

I mean, there is also the possibility he could start winning games, too, right? If slim?

Yes, we could win the next 10 games and all be talking about a push for Europe. But given his record so far in what was meant to be a easy start. The fact he has admitted he has no idea what players or formation is his best, and the the fact the we seem to be going backwards (I appreciate that is a matter of opinion). I think it's fairer to predict that our woes are set to continue unless the clown is removed.

[useless]

 

Useless, I don't remember the post I liked, tbh. No, I don't think it's provocative on its face. Truth be told, my feelings on Rodgers have changed a lot in the last three weeks. I used to like him but I don't now. It's more of a personality thing, so I don't take my own feelings that seriously on the subject. But I hear what you're saying here. Yeah, but the media is a little less sweet on Rodgers lately. And the fact is, many would say that he failed at L'Pool ultimately.

They might portray him in a bad light based on what's going on at Liverpool, but we have different ambitions to them at the moment and so I think if he was to come here then it would be widely regarded as good move for us. Really doesn't matter what the media say anyway, I'm confident he'd be an improvement on Sherwood and to fair most of the other candidates we could realistically hope to attract.

Edited October 4, 2015 by useless

[Zatman]

Rodgers would never come here, he is the most arrogant manager in football and thinks he should be at a Real Madrid or something

He reminds me of David O'Leary just replace the good bunch of lads with character

[PieFacE]

Rodgers would have no interest in coming here imo

[AntrimBlack]

already one win won't take us out of the bottom three. With the next set of fixtures we have upcoming that gap will widen and to be honest after the next 7 games I would be amazed if we are on double points in the league.  By then we will be adrift and having to basically have top four or five form for the second half of the season.  There is no way we will produce that,  there's no fightin them and most of them aren't used to this league let alone a relegation battle.  Accept it, it makes it easier

Don't be ridiculous, we are not nailed on to be relegated, and no one should ever accept anything until it is a certainty. In this case, that means arithmetically impossible.

And we do not have to do any more than finish above 3 other teams - that may be difficult, but not impossible.

You seem to be revelling in our present situation, were you a Lambert supporter by any chance?

[Guest av1]

Rogers players are "Great technicians"

Sherwood's players are "unfit"

That's good enough for me, sign him up 

[sicwhite]

David Moyes.

 

I'd like to think he'd jump at the chance to come back to the Premier League.

replace a manager with 1 win this season with a manager with 1 win this season

 

He'd be back plying his trade in a league where he has worked for over a decade and quite generally done very well.

[markavfc40]

For the record, I do think Rodgers could be better than Sherwood. But I STILL think we ought to wait 3-4 more weeks before jettisoning Tim. I feel we owe it to him and owe it the dignity of the process. 

 

 

Despite a big part of me thinking Sherwood hasn't had enough time to make an informed judgement I'm inclined to slightly disagree with you plastic man. The sacking season has started early and with Rodgers now on the market I would not be surprised if another club down the bottom acts soon and then goes for Rodgers perhaps Newcastle maybe even West Brom although Rodgers is unlikely to want to drop to a much smaller club such as WBA.

Would Rodgers come to us I genuinely don't know and I also don't know if he may want some time out the game but if we could get him I would have no issue dropping Sherwood. Rodgers has worked on a shoe string and had relative success with Swansea. Also unlike say an Allardyce I think the make up of our squad would be a good fit for Rodgers and he would have the ability to get plenty out of them.

 

Edited October 4, 2015 by markavfc40

[abdomlahor]

I think Rodgers would be tempted. Gil, Grealish and Adama are all the type of players he likes.

[macandally]

I think we actually bought some talented footballers this summer, the problem is that Sherwood has constantly complained that they haven't gelled which undermines them, destroys confidence and leads to him continually switches systems.  If a manager knows his job, he knows his preferred way of playing, buys players that fit his way and then coaches them to do it.

Sherwood is out of his depth and at the moment he is sucking the confidence out of a decent football team.  Get gone and as much as I would love Klopp, Pardew or even Pulis at this stage, I am hoping that someone is tapping up Rogers agent as we speak.

[Davkaus]

I think Rodgers would be tempted. Gil, Grealish and Adama are all the type of players he likes.

He'll take some time off and join a much better team than us.

[maqroll]

The Villa job is still a big job and Rodgers is not bigger than the Villa job, quite frankly. And it's not like a lot of clubs are gonna be knocking on his door at the moment. 

* Not endorsing Rodgers as next Villa manager, BTW.

Edited October 4, 2015 by maqroll

[Chicken Field]

Brendan Rodgers spent about £300million and took Liverpool backwards, had one good year thanks to Suarez (who he did not sign), was only successful at Swansea because other managers had laid the foundation and because they have a brilliant owner/directors, look at how successful all their managers have been. 

For me it is a BIG NO for Rodgers. 

 

Edited October 4, 2015 by Chicken Field