Popular Post BOF Posted September 14, 2015 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted September 14, 2015 We went 2 up and then he decides to put on 2 strikers and took off Gil who had been playing well, not to mention him having scored a belter and presumably being well up for it after that. Honestly if we had given control of our substitutions to Ranieri he couldn't have done a better job of dismantling our team. It was like Sherwood was trying to remove our momentum. Absolutely mind-boggling shit from Sherwood there. This result had nothing to do with a team needing time to gel. They were plenty gelled. We had loads in hand over an impotent Leicester. They're not great at all. But we've let them completely out of jail. F**king huge result in the grand scheme of things I think. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 That result yesterday was by far the most worrying since he has been here. Far more than the FA Cup Final or the Southampton defeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gharperr Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 i bet the same people who are saying gil shouldnt be subbed would be saying he should have been subbed if leicester scored from a shlupp cross. He was getting exposed pretty badly down that side before he got subbed off. Why do people keep saying ayew is a striker? Hes played both wide and at front in his carear. Hes played the role he was supposed to play yesterday before (played it a lot iirc), it isnt some totally new position. The pace of shlupp needed nullified at that moment of the game so trying to nullify that by having someone keep up with his pace and bringing on fresh leg who would also be able to exploit the FB getting so far forward seemed fine to me. (dont get me wrong, ayew didnt do anything, that doesnt make the reasoning behind the sub bad though)Think everyone could see that bacuna lost his head and needed to be sub'd pretty quickly. Was too late on that sub.Also agree to those who think gestede shouldnt have come on and veretout instead to give less space to their AM's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 (edited) Having watched the second half of that game, I now get the 'Tactics Tim' jibe. If it ain't broke Tim, if it ain't f**kin' broke. Out hope the opponents dont change it That second table in particular tells its own story. This sadly simply continues a trend we saw at the end of last season as well. His in-game management is just dreadful. If that was all there was to it, you'd simply say get rid of him. But the sad thing is, he seems very able to set the team up before the game and someone behind the scenes has got our midfielders to work really well together and create good penetration and attractive attacking patterns, so his mistakes in this area undo all the good work he or his team put in during the week. Sherwood seems to me to be excellent at half of the job and dreadful at the other half. Edited September 14, 2015 by HanoiVillan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted September 14, 2015 Moderator Share Posted September 14, 2015 In that scenario you only bring on Gestede if you're chasing the game. As for Ayew, I know he has played that role but he is primarily a striker in the same way that Sinclair; whilst able to play up front; is fundamentally an attacking mid. The reasoning (pace) may have been right but the personnel was wrong. Also, Bacuna should have been long gone by the time he was subbed. Every time the ball came down his side there was a huge gaping orifice where a #7 should have been. He is positionally useless as a defender because of his attempts to get forward and as has been said, he put our centre backs under more pressure than was necessary. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villanun Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 (edited) i bet the same people who are saying gil shouldnt be subbed would be saying he should have been subbed if leicester scored from a shlupp cross. He was getting exposed pretty badly down that side before he got subbed off. Why do people keep saying ayew is a striker? Hes played both wide and at front in his carear. Hes played the role he was supposed to play yesterday before (played it a lot iirc), it isnt some totally new position. The pace of shlupp needed nullified at that moment of the game so trying to nullify that by having someone keep up with his pace and bringing on fresh leg who would also be able to exploit the FB getting so far forward seemed fine to me. (dont get me wrong, ayew didnt do anything, that doesnt make the reasoning behind the sub bad though)In a purely positional sense, perhaps. But that doesn't take into account the performances we've seen from Ayew so far, which have been unimpressive. Perhaps Sherwood thought that a two goal lead made this a good time for Ayew to get some more experience, but given the way that Leicester were attacking us - and I think it's important to recognise how much more the Leicester team fought for the win than we did - a more defensive substitution would have made more sense, rather than someone who doesn't yet seem up to the pace of the league. Edited September 14, 2015 by Villanun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Someone, I think it might have been TRO, made a good point yesterday. Could you imagine us, 0-2 down at home with 20 minutes left, fighting as hard as Leicester did yesterday? Honestly I can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillanousOne Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 I can't really blame Ayew and Gestede for their roles in this, the midfield was being over run, we needed ball winners and fight. We didn't even play long to Gestede which though not a tactic i like might have earnt some respite if he had held the ball up. Ayew was running into three of their players every time he go the ball and there was nothing going on ahead of him, so he was trying to do too much when all we needed was possession and composure. He should have replaced Sinclair who did so little in the second half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedClaretAndBlue Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Oh yeah, forgot what the hell was that arm waving he was doing on the touchline. Was he having a laugh or what looked ridiculous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Oh yeah, forgot what the hell was that arm waving he was doing on the touchline. Was he having a laugh or what looked ridiculous It was laughable but to be fair he's not the only manager who looks a tit on the sidelines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted September 14, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted September 14, 2015 (edited) Having watched the second half of that game, I now get the 'Tactics Tim' jibe. If it ain't broke Tim, if it ain't f**kin' broke. Out hope the opponents dont change it Interesting reading that! He doesn't have much experience, you'd probably expect Ranieri and Advocaat to have something extra tactically after all their time in the game. I'd hesitate before putting Pardew in that company though? Edited September 14, 2015 by romavillan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulver Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Got to take the blame for recent defeats, due to his baffling substitutions. Yesterday, if Gil really was injured he should've bought Veretout on and strengthened the midfield to my mindAt that point we had a whole host of players doing absolutely nothing of note (Grealish, Sinclair, Gabby for starters)Could've changed the formation and ground out the win no problem, but chose to go oddball and gift em the 3 points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_Villain Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Having watched the second half of that game, I now get the 'Tactics Tim' jibe. If it ain't broke Tim, if it ain't f**kin' broke. Out hope the opponents dont change it Easy then... Attack the players viciously but fairly and make sure they are forced into all of their subs in the first half! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 i bet the same people who are saying gil shouldnt be subbed would be saying he should have been subbed if leicester scored from a shlupp cross. He was getting exposed pretty badly down that side before he got subbed off. Why do people keep saying ayew is a striker? Hes played both wide and at front in his carear. Hes played the role he was supposed to play yesterday before (played it a lot iirc), it isnt some totally new position. The pace of shlupp needed nullified at that moment of the game so trying to nullify that by having someone keep up with his pace and bringing on fresh leg who would also be able to exploit the FB getting so far forward seemed fine to me. (dont get me wrong, ayew didnt do anything, that doesnt make the reasoning behind the sub bad though)This would be absolutely fine reasoning if Ayew had come on and played on the right hand side of our team - he didn't though.Schlupp was up against Sinclair and Bacuna whilst Amavi and Ayew (assumed) had to deal with the raw pace of De Laet and Albrighton.It was a ridiculous substitution which has been covered enough. Sherwood lost the game for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 There's no need to panic yet chaps. This team is good. No we're not world beaters but we'll do fine this season. Most of us predicted this shaky start given the number of new signings. We'll be fine come May. we never used to agree. I miss arguing with you ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Stevo985 Posted September 14, 2015 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted September 14, 2015 There's no need to panic yet chaps. This team is good. No we're not world beaters but we'll do fine this season. Most of us predicted this shaky start given the number of new signings. We'll be fine come May. we never used to agree. I miss arguing with you No you don't! PRICK! ;) 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gharperr Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 (edited) i bet the same people who are saying gil shouldnt be subbed would be saying he should have been subbed if leicester scored from a shlupp cross. He was getting exposed pretty badly down that side before he got subbed off. Why do people keep saying ayew is a striker? Hes played both wide and at front in his carear. Hes played the role he was supposed to play yesterday before (played it a lot iirc), it isnt some totally new position. The pace of shlupp needed nullified at that moment of the game so trying to nullify that by having someone keep up with his pace and bringing on fresh leg who would also be able to exploit the FB getting so far forward seemed fine to me. (dont get me wrong, ayew didnt do anything, that doesnt make the reasoning behind the sub bad though)This would be absolutely fine reasoning if Ayew had come on and played on the right hand side of our team - he didn't though.Schlupp was up against Sinclair and Bacuna whilst Amavi and Ayew (assumed) had to deal with the raw pace of De Laet and Albrighton.It was a ridiculous substitution which has been covered enough. Sherwood lost the game for us.the point obviously still stands whether its ayew there or sinclair. Albrighton got subbed Edited September 14, 2015 by gharperr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tezvilla Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 He's a idiot. We was clearly getting over run and Instead of bringing veretout pm to shore things up and calm everything down he opts for ayew. He cost us this game and it's not acceptable.. Furious!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PongRiddims Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 If Sherwood had managed a lower league club before us he'd have made these mistakes and got away with them, hopefully learning from them. Make the same mistakes in the Prem and you'll get punished. Gestede and Ayew coming on was absolutely absurd at that point in the game, Leicester had already started playing and we needed to crowd them out in the middle of the park. Absolute disaster. If he shows the same naivety again he's lost me as a fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Yes the 2 subs look poor seeing as we didn't ge tthe third goal he thought they might bring, seemed to have been the turning point for Leciester to press on to us much much more. It's all very well shouting keep the ball at them, but even when Hutton came on had we introduced Veretout for a forward we may have saved a point.Going to be very interesting now what reaction Sherwood can get from these players, after that post match interview you would think the team have got a massive bollocking today that may well continue in to tomorrow Depends how well they react I suppose, are they still on double training? 9 - 3? Shame there is no one to give Sherwood a massive bollocking, as he was more at fault for that defeat than the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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