The Tim Sherwood Thread

[KHV]

Positives far out-weighing the negatives for me. We are good going forward, just need to be less naive defensively.

Every game we have lost has been to a one goal margin and we have been really unlucky. Performances > results at this stage.

Next two games are huge but I'm confident we'll win both.

I agree Gary.  I also think it's probably the harshest lesson he has learned in his time here and I suspect he learned it very very well.  I expect our substitutions to be a lot less gung-ho from here on.  I expect them to make more sense (they could hardly make less sense).  More conservative and probably with more consultation from his right-hand man.

 

What he did against Leicester was put out a starting 11 that went 2 up away from home against a side who had taken more points than anyone else in the previous, what, 15 or so games in the league?  Either way, he went to the Crisp Munchers and made a statistically-very-good team look very ordinary.  The rest is history.  But the blue-print is definitely there.  Our manager will learn just as our players will.  I don't mind him making mistakes.  I mind him making the same one twice.  So let's move on and batter the useless Boggies.

I am still happy with what Tim is doing, there are many positives sor far, the only thing that is annoying me at the moment is the fact that we are starting Bacuna at right back, this really annoys me as he is bollocks and should be nowehere near that position, it has been obvious for some considerable time that he is a defensive liability.. Another thing that annoys me is that we didn't get a decent keeper in the window, I think not getting a keeper has actually turned out worse than not getting a striker. Guzan has been poor for some time now, he had 1 stand out season under Lambert and has been going backwards at an alarming rate over the last 12/18 months, I have no idea what he was doing for the 3rd Leicester goal at all.

[omariqy]

Lambert gets 2 and a half years of grace and Sherwood gets 5 matches. Perfect.

Agree with BOF.

[Harry]

Lambert gets 2 and a half years of grace and Sherwood gets 5 matches. Perfect.

Agree with BOF.

Well this is Villa Talk so what did you expect at the home of over reaction?

[Gary Thomas]

Our team is like a very talented youngster who is a bit fragile and low on confidence.  We know he is fantastically talented, but he’s nervy and a bit self conscious atm.  The problem is we really need our young prodigy to perform at an up-and-coming gig.  How do we get the best out of him?  Do we pick out every fault and admonish him for every mistake?  Perhaps we tut, groan or bang the table whenever he misses a note or fails to complete a piece?  Or, do we encourage and support him unequivocally, building his confidence so he knows we believe in him and will back him whatever the outcome?   Of course, we do the later.  So while it is good fun to bitch, complain, criticise and vent on VT, away from the ears of our youngsters, I think it is important for fans not let any negativity or frustration surface at VP as soon as we see a missed pass or poor effort or, God forbid, we concede a goal.  Now, more than ever, the team needs the fans to back them vocally and completely. 

[Chicken Field]

I do not wan't him sacked, but I am really, really worried. He seems to me to be all motivation and little else. 

If this was the first game he had failed his subs this season I would not be worried, but this is the third game on the trot, which is unacceptable. And he has proven to be tactically "poor" for Tottenham and last season for villa too. I know he saved us last season, but motivation will only lead a team so far and there were many many games where I thought he could have done a lot better as a manager. I also believe there is a good reason Tottenham did not see him fit to manage them, even though he had an amazing win percentage, they were able to see his weaknesses. 

I personally feel that one of Sherwoods biggest weakness is that his confidence is too high, therefor he will not learn from mistake but blame others. To much self confidence can be extremely dangerous.

I like him and wan't him to succeed, but he needs to improve quickly, or this will be a long, long season.

[TRO]

but Ive not known a manager go from such a loosing streak, to having a half decent side. 

                     

                    Nigel Pearson?

[AshVilla]

Our form since the cup final at the end of last season has been abysmal

The rot needs to stop otherwise were in big trouble

[TRO]

What happened on Sunday is nothing new ….This has been going on under numerous managers for yonks.

Remember… 2-0 up at Villa Park against Utd with c 20 minutes left….Van Nistleroy comes on and we lose 2-3

Remember at the Emirates when was heading for a credible 0-0 Fabregas came on and we was completely undone.

We have been a team for years who on their day are quite joyful to watch but have that soft underbelly that lets teams back in very easily.

We need some characters in key positions i.e down the spine, leaders who hate losing and it shows.

I am not asking for players to go round kicking lumps out others, but players who won’t be bullied.

Under Ron Saunders 1-0 up and the game was all over….similar to an extent with Gregory, in recent times we have a soft underbelly.

We need to get Hard Nosed….It’s not easy to do, its intrinsic, but we need to find some durability from somewhere.

[Butterfingers]

I am also very much in Sherwoods corner.

On reflection, out of the 3 substitutions, only the bringing on of Ayew was wrong (& even that is with the benefit of hindsight)

We have to accept that Gil was going to come off through injury anyway, so the decision was forced upon him. There is a need to balance out the shoreing up of the midfield against playing an expensive signing who needs confidence boosting and game time.

The Gabby/Gestede one was not so bad as we needed the ball to stick when we got it out of our half

Bringing on Hutton was correct and if anything, should have been made sooner.

It hurts me more to loose like that than to loose 4-0 in the cup final. Hopefully the manager and players feel the same and will have suffered sufficiently to be determined not to allow the same thing to happen so easily again.

Its still very early days-Time is on our side. Most would have settled for mid-table (12h ish) before a ball was kicked. At this stage of the season, 2 back to back wins will put us right back on target.

[andym]

he absolutely got it wrong on sunday with the subs, but i watched the game back yesterday with my dad who hadnt seen it, and the amount of totally unforced errors being made by the players second half was unbelievable.

misplaced passes, clearances sliced out of play, throw ins straight to the opposition, dribbbling straight into tackles. We were also far too weak - too many 50/50 battles lost, and too many challenges being shirked.

they showed a replay of the 2nd leicester goal from behind the goal, and the attempted tackling was horrendous, marhez was basically escorted through our midfield and takes out 5 players with one run, lescott has to get across to try and cover, leaving leicester with 3 players against 2 on our own 6 yard line. As the ball goes in you can see half of our team within about 5 yards of each other on the corner of our box. It was pathetic.

 

 

[HanoiVillan]

Obviously we can't sack him yet.

But his recent stats make very poor reading - we seem to be loosing most matches - sure give him time, but Ive not known a manager go from such a loosing streak, to having a half decent side. I really think he will be under severe pressure pressure by christmas.

Are you kidding? What do you think has happened to Leicester over the last twelve months?

Its a different manager - and even if you accept Leicester are transformed - they are are very much the exception.  

They won 7 of their last 9 games last season, under the manager who had been performing so badly. 

It's not even that much of an exception. West Ham last year looked like they could be competing for the Europa League at least after about twelve games, by the spring they were an outside bet for relegation. You know that saying 'form is temporary, class is permanent'? Well, there's a reason for the 'form is temporary' part. 

[VillaJ100]

Obviously we can't sack him yet.

But his recent stats make very poor reading - we seem to be loosing most matches - sure give him time, but Ive not known a manager go from such a loosing streak, to having a half decent side. I really think he will be under severe pressure pressure by christmas.

Are you kidding? What do you think has happened to Leicester over the last twelve months?

Its a different manager - and even if you accept Leicester are transformed - they are are very much the exception.  

They won 7 of their last 9 games last season, under the manager who had been performing so badly. 

It's not even that much of an exception. West Ham last year looked like they could be competing for the Europa League at least after about twelve games, by the spring they were an outside bet for relegation. You know that saying 'form is temporary, class is permanent'? Well, there's a reason for the 'form is temporary' part. 

I agree. Leicester were 2 losses away from being completely buried. As it is they just went renegade and got a massive dose of luck, and they are still riding high. But it will run out, of that's im sure. Remember hull about 6 years ago, in the top 4 after 7 games because giovani was playing out of his skin, ended up staying up on goal difference. Kind of the same with the crisps and mahrez. 

 

 

[villakram]

What happened on Sunday is nothing new ….This has been going on under numerous managers for yonks.

 

Remember… 2-0 up at Villa Park against Utd with c 20 minutes left….Van Nistleroy comes on and we lose 2-3

 

Remember at the Emirates when was heading for a credible 0-0 Fabregas came on and we was completely undone.

 

We have been a team for years who on their day are quite joyful to watch but have that soft underbelly that lets teams back in very easily.

 

We need some characters in key positions i.e down the spine, leaders who hate losing and it shows.

 

I am not asking for players to go round kicking lumps out others, but players who won’t be bullied.

 

Under Ron Saunders 1-0 up and the game was all over….similar to an extent with Gregory, in recent times we have a soft underbelly.

 

We need to get Hard Nosed….It’s not easy to do, its intrinsic, but we need to find some durability from somewhere.

 

I would personally love if we had someone who would kick the life out of the opposition team. It simply needs to be done at times, mahrez was taking the piss on Sunday and they all stood by admiring him.

I'll never forget what Neville did to Reyes at old trafford a good few yrs back... go on, try that again son, I foopin dare ya! We are a team in sore need of someone like that. The ref is there for a reason, let him sort things out.

Plz accept my apologies for the moronic commentary...

 

and as a bonus, that evil Ginger ninja

 

Edited September 15, 2015 by villakram

[terrytini]

There have been mistakes since Sherwood took over, and there have been examples of poor play from players who should do better.

But like anyone who has watched other teams in that time, I have seen virtually every other side in the Premiership have poor games, appear to be tactically outwitted, suffer from lapses by defenders, dodgy finishing from strikers, and lose games due to substitutions not being made or not working out.

It just is.

Given that, I feel  the criticisms of Sherwood ( and by and large the players) to be unreasonable ( in that they are not untypical), premature, and unnecessarily negative.

In only a very small number of cases of those other games, with other teams, have I seen those negative aspects offset to a fair degree by a clearly improved playing style and by signs of real promise for the future. And in none have I seen that as much as I have in various performances, or part performances, by ourselves.

So overall I see our negatives as little different to anyone's, and our positives as considerably more so.

As such I'm not only happy with Sherwood, I'm also happy with where were going.

And it ISNT down !

[terrytini]

Ah,  Scholes, you see, he wasn't dirty, its just that "tackling wasn't one of his strengths" ......(apparently).

(Excuse copyright of pretty much every commentator everywhere.)

[CrackpotForeigner]

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

And as per the excellent quote in Off Topic a while ago, those who can are condemned to stand helplessly by while others repeat it.

[ozvillafan]

I would personally love if we had someone who would kick the life out of the opposition team. It simply needs to be done at times, mahrez was taking the piss on Sunday and they all stood by admiring him.

I'll never forget what Neville did to Reyes at old trafford a good few yrs back... go on, try that again son, I foopin dare ya! We are a team in sore need of someone like that. The ref is there for a reason, let him sort things out.

Plz accept my apologies for the moronic commentary...

 

Hmm.. not sure what you are advocating here. Certainly the penalty that Neville gave away or the red card that Scholes got are 2 options that aren't really going to help us in games.

 

The thing is - we don't need to do that. It was only a few months ago when Colombia beat Argentina by keeping Messi quiet....

... by simply having Sanchez man mark him. Had he been given the instruction to make life difficult for Mahrez - then job done.

 

[villakram]

I would personally love if we had someone who would kick the life out of the opposition team. It simply needs to be done at times, mahrez was taking the piss on Sunday and they all stood by admiring him.

I'll never forget what Neville did to Reyes at old trafford a good few yrs back... go on, try that again son, I foopin dare ya! We are a team in sore need of someone like that. The ref is there for a reason, let him sort things out.

Plz accept my apologies for the moronic commentary...

 

Hmm.. not sure what you are advocating here. Certainly the penalty that Neville gave away or the red card that Scholes got are 2 options that aren't really going to help us in games.

 

The thing is - we don't need to do that. It was only a few months ago when Colombia beat Argentina by keeping Messi quiet....

... by simply having Sanchez man mark him. Had he been given the instruction to make life difficult for Mahrez - then job done.

 

Oh, I absolutely agree... but the players appear to be completely unable to diagnose an in game situation by themselves, and our manager is currently unable to do this also. The main point of the the above was that those players were identifying things needed doing, and they did it, not in the smartest way but at least they didn't role over and have their bellies tickled like we just did against bloody Leicester. 

 

[bobzy]

I would personally love if we had someone who would kick the life out of the opposition team. It simply needs to be done at times, mahrez was taking the piss on Sunday and they all stood by admiring him.

I'll never forget what Neville did to Reyes at old trafford a good few yrs back... go on, try that again son, I foopin dare ya! We are a team in sore need of someone like that. The ref is there for a reason, let him sort things out.

Plz accept my apologies for the moronic commentary...

 

Hmm.. not sure what you are advocating here. Certainly the penalty that Neville gave away or the red card that Scholes got are 2 options that aren't really going to help us in games.

 

The thing is - we don't need to do that. It was only a few months ago when Colombia beat Argentina by keeping Messi quiet....

... by simply having Sanchez man mark him. Had he been given the instruction to make life difficult for Mahrez - then job done.

 

 

The exact problem was Sanchez to this extent.

Mahrez out wide vs. Amavi and Grealish (sort of) got no joy.  Shifted into the centre, ran the show - they scored 3.  Sanchez' "man marking" against Drinkwater on the Leicester equaliser was awful, awful stuff.

I know he wasn't the only problem by any stretch, but that's our break-up-play, defensive-minded midfielder.

It worries me.

 

Edited September 16, 2015 by bobzy

[TRO]

I am also very much in Sherwoods corner.

On reflection, out of the 3 substitutions, only the bringing on of Ayew was wrong (& even that is with the benefit of hindsight)

We have to accept that Gil was going to come off through injury anyway, so the decision was forced upon him. There is a need to balance out the shoreing up of the midfield against playing an expensive signing who needs confidence boosting and game time.

The Gabby/Gestede one was not so bad as we needed the ball to stick when we got it out of our half

Bringing on Hutton was correct and if anything, should have been made sooner.

It hurts me more to loose like that than to loose 4-0 in the cup final. Hopefully the manager and players feel the same and will have suffered sufficiently to be determined not to allow the same thing to happen so easily again.

Its still very early days-Time is on our side. Most would have settled for mid-table (12h ish) before a ball was kicked. At this stage of the season, 2 back to back wins will put us right back on target.

                    Agree with all that.....not sure about which was the worst game....its like saying who is the worst Fred West or Jack the ripper.

                     Both was a Nightmare in slightly different ways.

Edited September 16, 2015 by TRO