AVFCforever1991 Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 (edited) Even if we had £250m to spend, we wouldn't make Champ League this season. It takes a couple of seasons to pull it all together even if you are flinging money at the problem (unless your club was already challenging for CL the previous season - I guess someone like Spurs could do it). Kiyotake on a free? Don't want. Price = quality. Next please. I think you missed the sarcasm Ahh I did, that's good then Edited August 8, 2013 by AVFCforever1991 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarpie Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 What's this about legal teams and Kiyotake being free? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philosopher Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 TO SUMMERISE Part one - Survive and re-build (last season) (shift deadwood, rebuild first, team stay up). Part two - Consolidate and and complete rebuild (where we are now) ( continue shifting deadwood, re-enforce first team, and introduce some extra competition for places) Part three - Gradually improve the squad and league performance till we can look to try to challenge the best (Which should start next summer or maybe the following summer) (Now deadwood is gone, maintain freshness of squad by shifting playing failing to make the grade, and increase competition by bringing in player that should pose a real threat to established first teamers). Part four - Challenge the best (bring in players better than we already have), this can only happen once we have qualified for europe and if you are playing it safe then two season in a row). TO CONCLUDE The transfer targets, and expenditure will evolve naturally depending on our goals for the season and the statue of our squad in the league. The main issue being debated is when the club are planning to start 'Part Three' if we are going to move on to that at all. There is a very real prospect that the management are happy for the club to sit in your 'Part Two', buying cheap bargains and flipping them a couple of years later for bigger money, then going out and buying cheap bargains again. The fans want to see some evidence that we are going to move into 'Part Three' and start buying even better players than we have already to establish ourselves in the higher positions. The thing is that we have only just got to part two, part three come next summer maybe. Also Our net spend (transfer fees) has consistently been around the 20 million mark. If you need 6 players then your only going to have about 3m to spend per player but if you only need two! And if you can suppliment that by selling the weaker performers (who will still be young as we are buying young, then there is a resale value and no high wage to make them difficult to shift) you end up with more to spend. We are already spending part three money really! Part four is where the question marks lie for me as I get the feeling the club will be happy to tick over in part three territory (so long as we are making a profit) and not risk part four which means spending more than you have as the top 5 or six have priced everyone out of the market and the only way to compete is to spend more than you can make (at least in the short term). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pembers Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 What's this about legal teams and Kiyotake being free? There was a rumour that there was a rumour, but that turned out to just be bullsh*t 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhInTrinity Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 TO SUMMERISE Part one - Survive and re-build (last season) (shift deadwood, rebuild first, team stay up). Part two - Consolidate and and complete rebuild (where we are now) ( continue shifting deadwood, re-enforce first team, and introduce some extra competition for places) Part three - Gradually improve the squad and league performance till we can look to try to challenge the best (Which should start next summer or maybe the following summer) (Now deadwood is gone, maintain freshness of squad by shifting playing failing to make the grade, and increase competition by bringing in player that should pose a real threat to established first teamers). Part four - Challenge the best (bring in players better than we already have), this can only happen once we have qualified for europe and if you are playing it safe then two season in a row). TO CONCLUDE The transfer targets, and expenditure will evolve naturally depending on our goals for the season and the statue of our squad in the league. The main issue being debated is when the club are planning to start 'Part Three' if we are going to move on to that at all. There is a very real prospect that the management are happy for the club to sit in your 'Part Two', buying cheap bargains and flipping them a couple of years later for bigger money, then going out and buying cheap bargains again. The fans want to see some evidence that we are going to move into 'Part Three' and start buying even better players than we have already to establish ourselves in the higher positions. I understand the money element, however how did the spending on the likes of Warnock, Davies, Sidwell, Cuellar, Dunne get us? Were they not supposed to be better players. Lambert has a philosophy of going this way, do you honestly think Lerner says to him, I only want you spending this much on each player. He carefully picks players to improve the side. Alot of work goes into the players he actually wants. On Benteke, he even mentioned at the fans forum, when scouting him in a Europa game, he actually didn't play that well, but he followed his gut instinct on it. Let's not forget he was given 20million last season and around 10 to 13million this year and thats net, its completely up to him how he spends it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrackpotForeigner Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 What's this about legal teams and Kiyotake being free? There was a rumour that there was a rumour, but that turned out to just be bullsh*t ...and even that was complete nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob182 Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 Even if we had £250m to spend, we wouldn't make Champ League this season. It takes a couple of seasons to pull it all together even if you are flinging money at the problem (unless your club was already challenging for CL the previous season - I guess someone like Spurs could do it).Kiyotake on a free? Don't want. Price = quality. Next please. He would only be free because of a apparent 'breach of contract'. He is a very quality player and to get him for free would be ridiculously good business. Although that won't happen. Whooooooooosh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted August 8, 2013 Moderator Share Posted August 8, 2013 Gents, A final reminder - if there is information on twitter, please feel free to comment on it and on whether you feel that it has any value; if there are people on twitter, and you wish to talk about them, do it on twitter. This is the third reminder that has gone into this thread on this subject - the topic is Kiyotake, keep the posts around that please. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeroGabe Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 Only way I see him coming this late is if the wages from the bomb squad are cleared. And it looks like bent may be the only on out. Can't see this bid happening but Delph Westwood and sylla would still be a decently strong midfield as they proved towards the end of last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KjParton Posted August 8, 2013 Author Share Posted August 8, 2013 Only way I see him coming this late is if the wages from the bomb squad are cleared. And it looks like bent may be the only on out. Can't see this bid happening but Delph Westwood and sylla would still be a decently strong midfield as they proved towards the end of last season. They may be strong. But there really aren't goals there. I think we need to have a midfielder who gets 10 assists and 10 goals a season. Sylla/Westy/Delph aren't going to do that (IMO) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theunderstudy Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 I would really really love us to sign him. IF we do sell Bent in this window I reckon we'll go for him again. This time a little more concretely. We need this kind of action he brings, set piece specialist, Japanese profile and possible marketing influence, and generally a very good player in the squad. I think we need an attacking midfielder and another winger in my opinion, the former more urgently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 what's twitter? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 what's twitter? What Rock do you live under sir? Its some sort of social commentary/update website etc, perhaps some of the others could explain it better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVillain Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 what's twitter? It's some type of new government owned bank. Apparently they are saying that we are buying Ronaldo on loan for 17 seasons for free because there is a release clause in his bathtub. Brown peas Randumbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philosopher Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 (edited) what's twitter? What Rock do you live under sir? Its some sort of social commentary/update website etc, perhaps some of the others could explain it better. to be more precise its a website for people incapable of producing a proper dialogue on anything so they turn to spouting often ignorant, ill-thoughtout, short comments that amounts to a site all most enitrely made up of BS! Don't waste your time I certainly don't. On topic, Kiyotake is exactly what our teams needs in the middle! Edited August 8, 2013 by Philosopher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 We really havent spent much at all if we dont sign Kiyotake or someone else. Excellent point and if indeed our spending is over for another window and you also take last January into consideration would you not ask why our actual expenditure on transfers has dwindled to next to nothing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samjp26 Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 We really havent spent much at all if we dont sign Kiyotake or someone else. Excellent point and if indeed our spending is over for another window and you also take last January into consideration would you not ask why our actual expenditure on transfers has dwindled to next to nothing? Following certain departures, we'd probably be looking at profit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dukes Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 We really havent spent much at all if we dont sign Kiyotake or someone else. Excellent point and if indeed our spending is over for another window and you also take last January into consideration would you not ask why our actual expenditure on transfers has dwindled to next to nothing? I would say the business we have done in total has benefited the club in a much longer term way than signing more players. New contracts for Guzan, Lowton, Westwood, and of course Benteke is possibly the best business done by any team outside of the top 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciggiesnbeer Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 Well we have spent 10 million quid on new transfers plus however much on new contracts. That seems pretty sensible until we shift some of the leeches. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chappy Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 It`s literally impossible to get to top 4 on this budget, it can`t be done on such short time. Requires scouting out of this world and plenty of luck. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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