Philosopher Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 I'm going to get derisory comments for this but it's pretty obvious if we do get Kiyotake he is our replacement for Barry Bannan. For those of you who don't think Bannan had a good season last year, Kiyotake would be our upgrade on Barry Bannan. Point is, same type of player. I hope we get him. Con I sometimes wonder if you have ever watched Bannan play I really do. Granted Bannan was an Attacking Midfielder when playing with the academy side (a good number of years ago now), trying to be the "little genius" who would unlock a defence. However even in the academy side he started playing deeper and Samir Carruthers took that AM role. For the first team Bannan has rarely if ever played in the attacking midfielder role that Kiyotake will play. Under Lambert Bannan has exclusively been used as a deep lying midfielder used to keep possession and spread the play. I have often seen you refer to him as our Iniesta but Iniesta drifts past players at will, Bannan is not able to do this at mens level. We were trying to make him into a really really really really poor version of Xavi and he wasnt even quite up to that. The point is that kiyoteke ins't an out and out ACM. He more of a midfielder playmaker, which is how i'd describe Bannan. Kiyotake isn't going to go past players at will with pace and skill, but he will spread the play, find those pinpoint throughballs and keep the ball well with good close control and touch. This is the type of player I had hoped Bannan would become unfortunately he hasn't been smart enough to make up for his lack of strength, and his decision making is poor. Bannan imo get too much stick! He has talent and offered us something we don't have (a playmaker), he's also had some very good games for us. I think because Con is always fighting his corner people just assume that when Con mentions Bannan, he's making him out to be a great player. For me Bannan hasn't done enough to be picked so needs to be moved on but that doesn't mean he is this completely inept piece of rubbish thats the cause of all our sorrows, that many make him out to be. This doesn't surprise me though as I have spent years defending Gabby when he was being attacked and written off in the past, whenever injuries or burnout struck, but we all know that we'd be relegated by now without his efforts! When a player isn't performing to our expectations they are always likely to be made a scapegoat! Philosopher you so often talk sense so if you have seen Kiyotake play then I will bow to your greater knowledge. However from the clips I have seen Kiyotake very much looks like an AM who does go past a player with pace and skill. There are a number of videos showing him doing exactly this. For what's its worth I agree with what you say on Bannan and I wasn't (intending) to give him stick. I would go into more detail but I don't want to turn this into another Bannan/Con thread. He can certainly dribble that I don't dispute but in the clips on youtube he has lots of space to run into. I haven't seen a lot of him but I have seen him in a couple of matches, one recently was Japan v Brazil in the confed cup. He was played on the right hand side and he didn't beat his man once! I the centre on the counter his dribbling means he can carry the ball out effectively and find a nice killer ball at the end of it, however put in a role out wide he will struggle to beat a good fullback. For me he beat assets are his vision and passing. Its also been mentioned in an article for a japanesse based reporter that he can play defensive midfield. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biskitt Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 I see Kiyotake being a bit like Iniesta, has quick feet to be able to go get past a player if he gets the ball in a tight spot but won't neccessarily run at players and try and dribble past them so much, ala Nzogbia. His vision, control and his free kick ability are the things that stand out from me 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philosopher Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 I see Kiyotake being a bit like Iniesta, has quick feet to be able to go get past a player if he gets the ball in a tight spot but won't neccessarily run at players and try and dribble past them so much, ala Nzogbia. His vision, control and his free kick ability are the things that stand out from me This! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrackpotForeigner Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 He's not fit to lace Knockaert's boots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArteSuave Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 He can certainly dribble that I don't dispute but in the clips on youtube he has lots of space to run into. I haven't seen a lot of him but I have seen him in a couple of matches, one recently was Japan v Brazil in the confed cup. He was played on the right hand side and he didn't beat his man once! I the centre on the counter his dribbling means he can carry the ball out effectively and find a nice killer ball at the end of it, however put in a role out wide he will struggle to beat a good fullback. For me he beat assets are his vision and passing. Its also been mentioned in an article for a japanesse based reporter that he can play defensive midfield. I didn't see him play in the Confed cup but I feel obligated to point out that he would hae been playing against Marcelo, who according to Ashley Cole (and I agree) is the best left back in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 The mods have repeated many times to stop mentioning things that are being discussed on twitter on here that have barely any relevance anymore to this supposed transfer. Its just plain boring. It was a fortnight ago, it is even more so now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalfTimePost Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 With Carruthers going on loan, Grealish looking likely to follow and NZogbia injured. I'd say theres a very, very good chance somebody will be brought in in the position this lad plays in. I would love Kiyotake, I've been banging on about him since around December like a lot of others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 I'm going to get derisory comments for this but it's pretty obvious if we do get Kiyotake he is our replacement for Barry Bannan. For those of you who don't think Bannan had a good season last year, Kiyotake would be our upgrade on Barry Bannan. Point is, same type of player. I hope we get him. Con I've been pretty much on your side with regards to Banaan getting too much undeserved abuse thus far, however now, you surely must be taking the piss re Kiyotake being his replacement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyAnty Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 I'm going to get derisory comments for this but it's pretty obvious if we do get Kiyotake he is our replacement for Barry Bannan. For those of you who don't think Bannan had a good season last year, Kiyotake would be our upgrade on Barry Bannan. Point is, same type of player. I hope we get him. Con I've been pretty much on your side with regards to Banaan getting too much undeserved abuse thus far, however now, you surely must be taking the piss re Kiyotake being his replacement? I never understood the joke Bannan has turned into with some of our fans when we have someone like Ireland and Hutton at the club on alot more money and never came through the ranks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingsombrero Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 I'm going to get derisory comments for this but it's pretty obvious if we do get Kiyotake he is our replacement for Barry Bannan. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troon_villan Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 All we need to do now is bid for Dempsey and hope he pushes a move through Dempsey has moved to the Seattle Sounders - $9mil hahaha woooooooosh!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoelVilla Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 I never understood the joke Bannan has turned into with some of our fans when we have someone like Ireland and Hutton at the club on alot more money and never came through the ranks. Agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 (edited) Never mind Edited August 9, 2013 by mikeyp102 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 I never understood the joke Bannan has turned into with some of our fans when we have someone like Ireland and Hutton at the club on alot more money and never came through the ranks. Agree Nobody is defending their poor performances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoelVilla Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 I never understood the joke Bannan has turned into with some of our fans when we have someone like Ireland and Hutton at the club on alot more money and never came through the ranks. Agree Nobody is defending their poor performances. Wrong thread but I still dont get it, if I was manager at Millwall I rather have Bannan than the other two... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 (edited) I hate how one member has forced Bannan onto the whole of VT. It's virtually impossible now to have a conversation about anything Villa related without Bannan turning up. Edited August 9, 2013 by Mantis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyAnty Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 (edited) I never understood the joke Bannan has turned into with some of our fans when we have someone like Ireland and Hutton at the club on alot more money and never came through the ranks. AgreeNobody is defending their poor performances. Didnt say they were, just Bannan is a comical figure among fans wereas them two are jokes Sorry wrong thread Edited August 9, 2013 by HeyAnty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villarocker Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 I have never seen this lad play and to be honest, I hope I don't see him in a Villa shirt. Nothing against the guy but I would much rather see one of our very own given a chance. A player who has been unlucky with terrible injuries early in his career but now a young man who I believe could well go on to be a very good attacking midfielder - Gary Gardner. I really hope Lambert gives him a chance to shine because with a bit of luck this lad could save the club a lot of money and become the final piece in our attacking jigsaw! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyAnty Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 I have never seen this lad play and to be honest, I hope I don't see him in a Villa shirt. Nothing against the guy but I would much rather see one of our very own given a chance. A player who has been unlucky with terrible injuries early in his career but now a young man who I believe could well go on to be a very good attacking midfielder - Gary Gardner. I really hope Lambert gives him a chance to shine because with a bit of luck this lad could save the club a lot of money and become the final piece in our attacking jigsaw! I've a feeling Gardner will be very impressive this year if he stays injury free. Fingers crossed. Still would like Kioyte Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smetrov Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 I have never seen this lad play and to be honest, I hope I don't see him in a Villa shirt. Nothing against the guy but I would much rather see one of our very own given a chance. A player who has been unlucky with terrible injuries early in his career but now a young man who I believe could well go on to be a very good attacking midfielder - Gary Gardner. I really hope Lambert gives him a chance to shine because with a bit of luck this lad could save the club a lot of money and become the final piece in our attacking jigsaw! Well I don't know about GG TBH - But why we are still talking about a player because of one tentative enquiry weeks ago bemuses me - just what is it that keeps this one going, when everything suggests he isn't coming ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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