Hornso Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Steve Barnes was more tactically ambitious than Steve Bruce is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperTed Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 3 hours ago, YouUnastanFren said: Watching Newcastle is like peering into an alternate universe where we beat Fulham in the playoff final and are still owned by Xia with Bruce in charge playing turgid hoofball. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 5 hours ago, YouUnastanFren said: Watching Newcastle is like peering into an alternate universe where we beat Fulham in the playoff final and are still owned by Xia with Bruce in charge playing turgid hoofball. Nah I think we'd have been relegated and he would have been sacked before that. He's lucky he inherited a decent squad at Newcastle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyjavfc Posted December 27, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted December 27, 2020 7 hours ago, YouUnastanFren said: Watching Newcastle is like peering into an alternate universe where we beat Fulham in the playoff final and are still owned by Xia with Bruce in charge playing turgid hoofball. Truly chilling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan-scott Posted December 27, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted December 27, 2020 8 hours ago, YouUnastanFren said: Watching Newcastle is like peering into an alternate universe where we beat Fulham in the playoff final and are still owned by Xia with Bruce in charge playing turgid hoofball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momo Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 13 hours ago, TrentVilla said: I'm paraphrasing. To summarise your actual points though I don't need you paraphrasing anything. I can speak for myself, man. Selective memory is an issue on VillaTalk. The football under Benitez was absolutely not good. Newcastle are where they are because of the owner, not because of the manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 (edited) Discussing Bruce v Rafa is like discussing Rachel Riley v Susan Boyle. When Ming's got sent off yesterday Bruce would have taken off Jack, Ollie and Traore and replaced them with Elmo, Taylor and Nakamba. We'd have lost 3-1, Bruce would have threw Ming's under a bus a claimed that you simply can't compete at this level with ten men. Edited December 27, 2020 by av1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted December 27, 2020 Moderator Share Posted December 27, 2020 25 minutes ago, momo said: I don't need you paraphrasing anything. I can speak for myself, man. Selective memory is an issue on VillaTalk. The football under Benitez was absolutely not good. Newcastle are where they are because of the owner, not because of the manager. You can, and over the last couple of pages you've been talking absolute rubbish. On the above post, nobody is saying the football under Benitez was good so not quite sure why you are countering a point nobody is making. On Newcastle's owner, nobody is absolving him of blame so again an irrelevant response but the merits or otherwise of their owner doesn't negate the failings of Bruce, his woeful tactics or dire football. Comparison's to Benitez and suggestions Bruce is doing a better job or is on a par or even better tactically is absolutely ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, av1 said: Bbc Where have we heard this before. Posted in wrong thread. Newcastle United manager Steve Bruce says some of the "mass hysteria" around his side after a "bad week" is "unjust and unfair Edited December 27, 2020 by av1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momo Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 14 minutes ago, TrentVilla said: You can, and over the last couple of pages you've been talking absolute rubbish. On the above post, nobody is saying the football under Benitez was good so not quite sure why you are countering a point nobody is making. On Newcastle's owner, nobody is absolving him of blame so again an irrelevant response but the merits or otherwise of their owner doesn't negate the failings of Bruce, his woeful tactics or dire football. Comparison's to Benitez and suggestions Bruce is doing a better job or is on a par or even better tactically is absolutely ridiculous. You are talking absolutely rubbish. What was better under Benitez? Please enlighten me. The guy quit his job like a little b**** over Rondon not getting a contract. He even deemed Joelinton not good enough replacement for Rondon. Yet Bruce had the team comfortably mid table before the lock down. You have a personal vendetta against Bruce, and that just comes across as bitterness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted December 27, 2020 Moderator Share Posted December 27, 2020 25 minutes ago, momo said: You are talking absolutely rubbish. What was better under Benitez? Please enlighten me. The guy quit his job like a little b**** over Rondon not getting a contract. He even deemed Joelinton not good enough replacement for Rondon. Yet Bruce had the team comfortably mid table before the lock down. You have a personal vendetta against Bruce, and that just comes across as bitterness. You really need to read your own posts back. You said they played the same under Benitez as they do under Bruce, they don't and any Newcastle fan would tell you that. You claimed Bruce was doing a better job than Benitez, he isn't. You claimed Benitez got them relegated despite taking over in the March and almost saving them, he certainly wasn't responsible for relegating them. You suggested that Bruce rather than Benitez was the greater tactically which frankily ranks as one of the daftest opinions I've seen on here. And I'm the one talking rubbish? Good luck finding anyone who agrees with you on this lot. Bruce took over a stable PL side from Rafa and has been backed financially in a way that Rafa wasn't, their football is far worse, their tactics non existent and their fans are calling for his head yet loved Rafa. But what would they know? They must all be wrong and you must be right. I don't have a personal vendetta against Bruce I just think he is a poor manager not remotely in the same class as Benitez and I think you are talking absolute drivel. Talking of drivel, Joelinton wasn't a good enough replacement for Rondon so I'd say Rafa was right on that. But that isn't why he quit, he quit because he wanted total control over transfers and the club wouldn't give him that. As for what was better under Benitez, the tactics, their organisation, the mentality of the team and their approach to games, the football they played, the results relative to resources (Bruce has had far more investment in players than Rafa). You could ask any Newcastle fan and they would tell you the same. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 17 minutes ago, momo said: You are talking absolutely rubbish. What was better under Benitez? Please enlighten me. The guy quit his job like a little b**** over Rondon not getting a contract. He even deemed Joelinton not good enough replacement for Rondon. Yet Bruce had the team comfortably mid table before the lock down. You have a personal vendetta against Bruce, and that just comes across as bitterness. The quality of football Bruce is getting some results but no one in their right mind would watch it and put up with it They are dog shit, getting a win or a point from 25% possession and 2 shots, awesome I'll say it again,I would rather go down with Smith than stay up with Bruce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 There was a link to a twitter poll some pages back wasn't there where Newcastle fans had to describe their season under Bruce and "soul destroying" came out on top, that's the right answer for me, win lose or draw its depressing, the wins and the points are irrelevant because the football is so bad 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, villa4europe said: There was a link to a twitter poll some pages back wasn't there where Newcastle fans had to describe their season under Bruce and "soul destroying" came out on top, that's the right answer for me, win lose or draw its depressing, the wins and the points are irrelevant because the football is so bad Agreed. I'd walk out of the stadium after a win and wonder why I'd paid £30 to watch that bollocks. It was depressing, no matter the result. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Davkaus said: Agreed. I'd walk out of the stadium after a win and wonder why I'd paid £30 to watch that bollocks. It was depressing, no matter the result. I gave my season ticket to my cousin after going to the 3-0 away defeat to Brentford and didnt go again under him (I moved so haven't actually been back since) Edited December 27, 2020 by villa4europe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Looking at the comments from Newcastle fans today really brings back the memories .. nothing has changed with him. He still has a pop at the fans every now and then by the looks of it, he really can’t help himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 He wheeled out the "mass hysteria" line yesterday so yep nothings changed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 I think Bruce is probably very bad at, and not very interested in, analyzing football games. There’s a chance he really doesn’t understand the criticism he gets, because he actually has a different experience of the game. I’d be shocked if he watches a lot of video, and he’s arrogant enough to trust his own guts, instincts and experience over objective analysis. With that mindset and lack of perspective, you’re not likely to accept criticism. To paraphrase a geordie on one of their forums: he’s a ****ing **** cowardly ****ing word removed of an excuse of a human being Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 (edited) 25 minutes ago, villa4europe said: He wheeled out the "mass hysteria" line yesterday so yep nothings changed And his mates in the media push it right to the front page (well, of the sports news section, the back page I guess ) . It's amazing how they let him get away with it. Edited December 27, 2020 by Davkaus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted December 27, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted December 27, 2020 That defeat to Brentford was very Bruce's Villa, as is how they play, which is a waste of some talent you'd have to say. So, so, glad we got Smith when we did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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