villalad21 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 14 minutes ago, VillaChris said: Will actually be interesting to see how we set up against them in a few weeks particularly given we've got Cash in who's hardly a defensive minded RB. One worry I always have is we do o.k pressing teams for about 50 minutes and then completely flag after that hence why we concede so many late goals against top 6/7. The 3-2 at VP a while back was an example of Leeds getting the measure of us after an hour so hopefully DS has learnt from that given Leeds still have a decent chunk of players who played that day v us and we now have better players in many areas. It will be a fixture where we'd expected to win but don't get our gameplan right and they could easily turn us over on the break. If we go toe to toe with them i think we'll lose. Reason being Bielsa is a better coach that DS. Sitting deep and hitting them on the counter is probably the way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villaphan04 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 39 minutes ago, villalad21 said: If we go toe to toe with them i think we'll lose. Reason being Bielsa is a better coach that DS. Sitting deep and hitting them on the counter is probably the way to go. so you think we will lose because of the coach only and not the 11 players on the pitch? hmmm (I agree that tactics will be highly influential but we can't go around saying that we will lose automatically because of the coach) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Villaphan04 said: so you think we will lose because of the coach only and not the 11 players on the pitch? hmmm (I agree that tactics will be highly influential but we can't go around saying that we will lose automatically because of the coach) A good system and coaching make players better. Not saying DS is bad btw. Just that Bielsa is superior to him. Edited September 13, 2020 by villalad21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 1 hour ago, villalad21 said: A good system and coaching make players better. Not saying DS is bad btw. Just that Bielsa is superior to him. That's genuinely the nicest thing you've said about our manager over the last 2 years. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 5 hours ago, OutByEaster? said: It's interesting, the dislike from other teams is usually around the football or the characters involved or in the just-being-Leeds of Leeds United, but at the moment it's absolutely fuelled by this peculiar media reaction to Leeds coming back up. This idea has grown in the media that Leeds are a top half side and one of the half dozen biggest clubs in the country - that idea isn't particularly coming from Leeds, it's coming from the papers and from TV companies - it's like it started gently and then somehow has built into a sort of arms race of "I love Leeds more than you do". The fawning and peculiar praise from TV commentary teams and pundits is scratching away at fans of other sides and is creating an absolute desire to see Leeds fail because they know the media are wrong and they have their noses put out because their own teams don't get the same type of coverage. Bizarrely, the media think Leeds are the best thing to happen in twenty years, a top eight contender; opposition fans hate that and are urging them to fail horribly, everyone loves hubris in action. Somewhere in the middle of that there's Leeds, actual Leeds - a team that don't have the best team in the league, or the worst and will be involved in a battle with about ten other clubs to avoid relegation. The problem actual Leeds have is that they're now battling against every other team's supporters and suffering the false expectation of the media - when everyone hates you and someone has told you you're going to be the best there is, trying to get the actual job done will get very hard. There's a huge pressure building around Leeds - they now have to both justify an unrealistic expectation and fight the rest of the football world - that's going to be hard. The Leeds love-in might be their biggest enemy this season. Similar to Liverpool previously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Zatman Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Currently 6th favourites for the title Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, Zatman said: Currently 6th favourites for the title Thanks for the ehads up, just put a tenner on them to go down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 The Leeds live in this morning included talksport declaring them as everyone's 2nd team (sure that was a Liverpool thing too) And the demand that they be congratulated for being newly promoted and being willing to play their football... Almost like wolves and Sheffield utd don't exist That's the biggest problem they have, the belief that they are doing something that's never been done before or because of Bielsa they're going to do it better, they're getting respect they haven't earned whilst there are a fair few teams in the league that don't get the respect they deserve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted September 14, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted September 14, 2020 27 minutes ago, villa4europe said: The Leeds live in this morning included talksport declaring them as everyone's 2nd team (sure that was a Liverpool thing too) And the demand that they be congratulated for being newly promoted and being willing to play their football... Almost like wolves and Sheffield utd don't exist That's the biggest problem they have, the belief that they are doing something that's never been done before or because of Bielsa they're going to do it better, they're getting respect they haven't earned whilst there are a fair few teams in the league that don't get the respect they deserve ffs...we have another 8 months of this haven't we Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 31 minutes ago, tomav84 said: ffs...we have another 8 months of this haven't we Yep It gets a lot of traffic on social media, Leeds fans are everywhere on it, all over ours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 They'll be like us last season. Narrowly lose to the top sides early on in the season in battling displays, have all the pundits saying you'll be fine then go to absolute shite around November. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 (edited) On 12/09/2020 at 23:24, tinker said: It's a must win for them already, lose and the pressure starts to build, as we all know, the Premier league is brutal. This is torturing the definition of 'must win' . . . several teams haven't even played a game yet. The manager is under no pressure whatsoever. It just isn't a 'must win' at all. Edited September 14, 2020 by HanoiVillan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 I've seen actual articles suggesting Leeds are gonna push for top 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 23 hours ago, OutByEaster? said: It's interesting, the dislike from other teams is usually around the football or the characters involved or in the just-being-Leeds of Leeds United, but at the moment it's absolutely fuelled by this peculiar media reaction to Leeds coming back up. This idea has grown in the media that Leeds are a top half side and one of the half dozen biggest clubs in the country - that idea isn't particularly coming from Leeds, it's coming from the papers and from TV companies - it's like it started gently and then somehow has built into a sort of arms race of "I love Leeds more than you do". The fawning and peculiar praise from TV commentary teams and pundits is scratching away at fans of other sides and is creating an absolute desire to see Leeds fail because they know the media are wrong and they have their noses put out because their own teams don't get the same type of coverage. Bizarrely, the media think Leeds are the best thing to happen in twenty years, a top eight contender; opposition fans hate that and are urging them to fail horribly, everyone loves hubris in action. Somewhere in the middle of that there's Leeds, actual Leeds - a team that don't have the best team in the league, or the worst and will be involved in a battle with about ten other clubs to avoid relegation. The problem actual Leeds have is that they're now battling against every other team's supporters and suffering the false expectation of the media - when everyone hates you and someone has told you you're going to be the best there is, trying to get the actual job done will get very hard. There's a huge pressure building around Leeds - they now have to both justify an unrealistic expectation and fight the rest of the football world - that's going to be hard. The Leeds love-in might be their biggest enemy this season. 23 hours ago, Stevo985 said: They life off having one, admittedly excellent, period under Don Revie, and then being a very good, but not great, team in the late 90’s when English football was booming with the growth of the premier league and Sky. if that period had come in the late 80s and they got relegated early 90s instead of early 2000s nobody would give a shit about them. They’re basically nottingham Forest with better timing Thank you both for articulating this. It's one of those weird scenarios where people in the media start feeding off each other, and the end result is a kind of weird mass delusion that has at base some truth but has become twisted beyond recognition. Yes, it is true that some people are glad they got promoted because they're an interesting team with lots of rivalries, but no, that doesn't mean they are 'everybody's second team'. Yes, they have good at points in the past, but no, that doesn't mean they are a 'sleeping giant'. Yes, they have a good manager, but no, that doesn't mean they will finish in the European places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, villalad21 said: I've seen actual articles suggesting Leeds are gonna push for top 4 I just don't understand, I watched them and they are so vulnerable at the back. Nothing amazing really, yeah they had an OK game in which they let 4 goals in. Top 4 at the expense of whom is what I want to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted September 14, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted September 14, 2020 1 hour ago, HanoiVillan said: This is torturing the definition of 'must win' . . . several teams haven't even played a game yet. The manager is under no pressure whatsoever. It just isn't a 'must win' at all. The only way the second game of the season is "must win" for any team is if your goal is to win every game of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjvilla Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 We found out very quickly, last season, you can't go toe to toe week in week out. They will get found out at this level. Their squad is very mediocre. They need points on the board early or they will have their usual mid/late season struggles. They had 3 shots on target, are they planning on having 100% goal to shot on target ratio throughout the whole season? It won't happen. They wil come up against some very stubborn sides (palace, newcastle) and they won't like it. Survival should be their aim. I'm hoping their arrogance sees them thinking they should do better and faltering. Also, £27m on a striker and he gives away a penalty on his debut to guarantee they lose the game! Couldn't have gone much better could it?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villaphan04 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Will definitely be interested to see how they play against the non top-6. They will dominate the game possession wise, but they could be very exposed against counter attacking teams (like Wolves) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Sort of a pity its Fulham this week, i would have liked them to play a Palace or a Wolves or even Sheffield United. A team like Wolves could make them look very foolish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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