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1 hour ago, Rodders said:

Just play Woakes instead. Contrary to all the bizarre leach eulogising on the commentary his record under Mccullum is still quite poor. Its also a home series. Root can bowl enough spin. Stokes won't bowl much if at all so having a 4th seamer makes more sense. Broad Anderson Robinson and Woakes. Swap out one of them for Wood / Tongue etc for pitches where we need a bit more pace.

Blessing in disguise for me

The issue is Root has never bowled the volume of overs that a specialist spinner will be expected to bowl (even in English conditions).

I think you do need a specialist spinner in a side for most tests, or at least two part-time spinners, so maybe we're looking at Moeen or Livingstone, to avoid running Root into the ground.

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8 hours ago, KentVillan said:

The issue is Root has never bowled the volume of overs that a specialist spinner will be expected to bowl (even in English conditions).

I think you do need a specialist spinner in a side for most tests, or at least two part-time spinners, so maybe we're looking at Moeen or Livingstone, to avoid running Root into the ground.

 

Generally that's fair, but the way England arfe playing the game now, games will finish a little bit sooner than others, so it will be rarer to see games going long into day 4 let alone day 5. If there was an obvious stand out spinner then maybe, but I'm sceptical about Moeen or Livingstone coming straight in cold into this side. I think broad, anderson robinson and woakes ought to get 20 wickets in most of our tests. Again, Smith and Labuschane aside, in English conditions, I'm not worried about us not bowling them out with pace. 

But it's impossible to predict which way they'll go which is interesting anyway. Other option is Dan Lawrence into the side, which could finally jettison Crawley, but sadly that's unlikely. 

Also pretty grim that Foakes isn't even in the squad for first two Ashes tests. 

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You don't want your best batsman to have the extra burden of being your front line spinner and if this weather continues there's no way you csn go into a test series with a seam only attack. Spinners will play an important part. It will put us a massive disadvantage. Moeen has close on 200 test wickets but problem is he hasn't played red ball cricket in ages and is his motivation still there. Livingstone is not a front line spinner imo so where do we go.

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This is a major, major problem for England. 
 

He might not be world class but leach is the only real international class spin bowler we have. I think our chances of winning have taken a big hit. 
 

Sure, the seamers were always likely to do most of the damage but we still need someone who can knock someone over when the pitch isn’t doing anything, someone to hold up an end for 15-20 over spells.

Of all the bowling attack I’d say this is the worst possible injury we could have suffered.

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3 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said:

Does it help Moeen much playing the first Test at Edgbaston?

 

Well it certainly hasn't helped him playing for Warks !  In fact his signing, so far, has been a disaster. He would have got a bollocking at the level I played at (very low) for that first ball long hop he bowled on Sunday against Notts.

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Perhaps someone who knows more about it than I do but wouldn't Rehan Ahmed (Leics) have been a better alternative. Realise  it would be chucking him in at the deep end but ....! What happened to Mason Crane, Parkinson, Bess etc ?

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1 hour ago, veloman said:

Perhaps someone who knows more about it than I do but wouldn't Rehan Ahmed (Leics) have been a better alternative. Realise  it would be chucking him in at the deep end but ....! What happened to Mason Crane, Parkinson, Bess etc ?

They’re all shit, that’s what happened.

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11 hours ago, OutByEaster? said:

Does it help Moeen much playing the first Test at Edgbaston?

 

Don't know, which test ground in England has he had the most succes at.  Funny that nobody seems to rate him but he's the third leading wicket taker ever for an england spinner. He's got a good record against left handed batsmen of which Austrailia have plenty but who knows whether he has any motivation left for an ashes series.

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5 hours ago, veloman said:

Perhaps someone who knows more about it than I do but wouldn't Rehan Ahmed (Leics) have been a better alternative. Realise  it would be chucking him in at the deep end but ....! What happened to Mason Crane, Parkinson, Bess etc ?

They'd probably all be better than Mo.  I don't know when he last bowled with a red ball, he's retired and flattered to deceive when he did play.  I'd just go for Ahmed, you would hope he would at least be good against the tail enders if he has a good googly.

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