KentVillan Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Rodders said: Just play Woakes instead. Contrary to all the bizarre leach eulogising on the commentary his record under Mccullum is still quite poor. Its also a home series. Root can bowl enough spin. Stokes won't bowl much if at all so having a 4th seamer makes more sense. Broad Anderson Robinson and Woakes. Swap out one of them for Wood / Tongue etc for pitches where we need a bit more pace. Blessing in disguise for me The issue is Root has never bowled the volume of overs that a specialist spinner will be expected to bowl (even in English conditions). I think you do need a specialist spinner in a side for most tests, or at least two part-time spinners, so maybe we're looking at Moeen or Livingstone, to avoid running Root into the ground. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 8 hours ago, KentVillan said: The issue is Root has never bowled the volume of overs that a specialist spinner will be expected to bowl (even in English conditions). I think you do need a specialist spinner in a side for most tests, or at least two part-time spinners, so maybe we're looking at Moeen or Livingstone, to avoid running Root into the ground. Generally that's fair, but the way England arfe playing the game now, games will finish a little bit sooner than others, so it will be rarer to see games going long into day 4 let alone day 5. If there was an obvious stand out spinner then maybe, but I'm sceptical about Moeen or Livingstone coming straight in cold into this side. I think broad, anderson robinson and woakes ought to get 20 wickets in most of our tests. Again, Smith and Labuschane aside, in English conditions, I'm not worried about us not bowling them out with pace. But it's impossible to predict which way they'll go which is interesting anyway. Other option is Dan Lawrence into the side, which could finally jettison Crawley, but sadly that's unlikely. Also pretty grim that Foakes isn't even in the squad for first two Ashes tests. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 Monty probably thinks he could still do a job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 You don't want your best batsman to have the extra burden of being your front line spinner and if this weather continues there's no way you csn go into a test series with a seam only attack. Spinners will play an important part. It will put us a massive disadvantage. Moeen has close on 200 test wickets but problem is he hasn't played red ball cricket in ages and is his motivation still there. Livingstone is not a front line spinner imo so where do we go. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 Rashid or Ali obviously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted June 5, 2023 Moderator Share Posted June 5, 2023 2 hours ago, lapal_fan said: Rashid or Ali obviously? Both retired from red ball cricket 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 10 minutes ago, blandy said: Both retired from red ball cricket I'm sure an Ashes test with them being the main guy would chomp at the bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 This is a major, major problem for England. He might not be world class but leach is the only real international class spin bowler we have. I think our chances of winning have taken a big hit. Sure, the seamers were always likely to do most of the damage but we still need someone who can knock someone over when the pitch isn’t doing anything, someone to hold up an end for 15-20 over spells. Of all the bowling attack I’d say this is the worst possible injury we could have suffered. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted June 5, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 5, 2023 5 hours ago, blandy said: Both retired from red ball cricket 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 Moeen probably best option if he's up for it. He'll still be targeted by their batters, but hopefully can find some rhythm, and Root will help out too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted June 6, 2023 Moderator Share Posted June 6, 2023 Does it help Moeen much playing the first Test at Edgbaston? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veloman Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 3 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: Does it help Moeen much playing the first Test at Edgbaston? Well it certainly hasn't helped him playing for Warks ! In fact his signing, so far, has been a disaster. He would have got a bollocking at the level I played at (very low) for that first ball long hop he bowled on Sunday against Notts. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachboys1 Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 dont think warickshire will be amused having got him to sign for twenty twenty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veloman Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 Perhaps someone who knows more about it than I do but wouldn't Rehan Ahmed (Leics) have been a better alternative. Realise it would be chucking him in at the deep end but ....! What happened to Mason Crane, Parkinson, Bess etc ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 Liam Dawson would be the best like for like replacement I think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 1 hour ago, veloman said: Perhaps someone who knows more about it than I do but wouldn't Rehan Ahmed (Leics) have been a better alternative. Realise it would be chucking him in at the deep end but ....! What happened to Mason Crane, Parkinson, Bess etc ? They’re all shit, that’s what happened. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 11 hours ago, OutByEaster? said: Does it help Moeen much playing the first Test at Edgbaston? Don't know, which test ground in England has he had the most succes at. Funny that nobody seems to rate him but he's the third leading wicket taker ever for an england spinner. He's got a good record against left handed batsmen of which Austrailia have plenty but who knows whether he has any motivation left for an ashes series. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 5 hours ago, veloman said: Perhaps someone who knows more about it than I do but wouldn't Rehan Ahmed (Leics) have been a better alternative. Realise it would be chucking him in at the deep end but ....! What happened to Mason Crane, Parkinson, Bess etc ? They'd probably all be better than Mo. I don't know when he last bowled with a red ball, he's retired and flattered to deceive when he did play. I'd just go for Ahmed, you would hope he would at least be good against the tail enders if he has a good googly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 It's Mo then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbcuk Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 75-4 after 10overs for Warwickshire tonight, another top order batting collapse, maxwell with 1 and Ali with 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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