Risso Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 Just to add, my wife, who didn't even know the series is based on a game, watched episode 3 with me, having not watched the first two. She was in bits, and loved it so much she went back and watched the first two even though she's not a fan of zombie-related stuff. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 To be fair there's a decent argument that bills town is filler in the game too, it's a basic fetch quest in an arena that's made to feel like an open area that rewards exploration like ND are experts at Agree with Zen again, the letter is more on the nose than the game is, to paraphrase it "you're a protector like me, its what we do" the game doesn't tell you what Joel is in that manner, also think with all the noise around the episode the trick they played with the letter is the best bit of it, its more obvious that he's failed Tess, that he was the brawn to her brain and that there was something between them, it's all hinted in the game but the TV show tells you more The letter is Joel's motive because the other driver which I'm still tip toeing around because I consider it obvious but it might not be isn't there yet because Joel is still stone cold Spoiler The daddy daughter relationship, Joel isn't seeing Ellie like that at this stage, that is the arc that will come 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 I love the apocalyptic survival theme but hate zombie gore, so I shut it off halfway through the first episode. I'd much rather their adversaries be other humans and not the fantastical zombies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 Well ep 4 has things back on track. Far more like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 9 hours ago, maqroll said: I love the apocalyptic survival theme but hate zombie gore, so I shut it off halfway through the first episode. I'd much rather their adversaries be other humans and not the fantastical zombies. Come back to it... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogso Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 13 hours ago, El Zen said: This wildly underestimates the impact Bill’s letter has on Joel, imo. And Bill’s letter needs Bill and Frank’s story to make an impact on us. Not that it isn’t just a magnificent piece of TV in its own right, anyway, but it’s not hard to justify its significance in the overall story arch. It's a great inclusion and wrapped up a magnificent episode beautifully, yes. I've often tried to detach myself from the knowledge of these characters from the game, and what happens to them in the future. If I do that looking back at episode 3, I believe enough impetus is given to Joel by Tess' final words to him (plus the undeniable proof that Ellie really is immune to infection, of course) to travel onwards with this annoying kid who he's trying desperately not to be reminded of his daughter by. The requirement to remove Bill's Town from the TV show is absolutely necessary. So the question to the show runners then was, do we include Bill and his interactions with Joel and Ellie in a different way, do we remove Bill (almost) entirely, or do we do something completely different with Bill. I'm really, really pleased they went with option 3. However, with the set up for Bill and Frank in episode 1 being they're smugglers of some kind, allies of Joel and Tess, and have a penchant for pirate radio - would it be totally crazy for Joel and Ellie to turn up at Bill's Town, find him dead, get some gear, and drive off in the car? I don't think so. I think it's indicative of how good the first two episodes were that some people wanted to see more Joel and Ellie, rather than ~50 minutes with a couple who live and die and re-enforce Tess' final message to Joel a bit. Two thoughts whilst typing that out. One is whatever you thought about the episode, it sure got people talking, one way or another, which is great PR. And if people are talking about this episode as much as they have, imagine how much they'll be talking about what's to come. That's really exciting. Second is the subject of filler, side stories, and world building. You could apply it to any adaptation of a source material to the small or big screen, but it's of particular debate in manga adaptations. Considering filler, is the story worth telling? Do our cast of characters grow from the story we see, does their understanding of the world change? Does the viewer come out of that story with a better understanding of the world we're witnessing? Do those things have a detrimental effect on the progression of the main story arc, and is that a particular concern if time is limited? Or worse still...if time is not limited. I'm looking at you, Naruto. Ii think episode 3 succeeds on all those points, but then I could have confidently said that before watching it, hence my prior acknowledgment of 'good' filler after episode 1. It's probably a debate for another time - specifically when Ellie's backstory episode is aired, mainly because that story in itself could be viewed as filler for the game, let alone the TV show, seeing as it was DLC originally. There was a reader written article on Game Central over the weekend that suggests this TV show is the worst thing to happen to the video games industry in years, because there will be a movement to story focused games, to the detriment of gameplay. I don't actually think that'll happen but...probably a debate for the Games & Gaming forum! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post villa4europe Posted February 6, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 6, 2023 Episode 5 is out on Friday to avoid clashing with the superbowl 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 I dont think this shows for me. Its very slow and abit boring. Apart from last 5 seconds just want much happening Think im done with it going to move onto something else Nothing wrong with the acting its very good its just the show itself its abit meh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 Ep 4 done. Couldn’t possibly compare to ep 3, but very much back on the road again (literally) with the plot and the development of the bond between Ellie and Joel, ending on a nice cliffhanger and a cheeky cover of New Order. Bring on ep 5! (And, once again, to the ‘standard zombie show’ takes: Not a single infected made an appearence as far as I could tell.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogso Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 Really enjoyed that, nice intro for Henry and Sam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 6, 2023 Author VT Supporter Share Posted February 6, 2023 On 30/01/2023 at 20:27, Stevo985 said: I'm also looking forward to the next episode Hide contents Joel and Ellie do a lot of bonding in that truck, with some really funny moments in the game, so I'm hoping they recreate that well Yeah. They nailed it 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 I am curious how they do the second (third?) form of infected. OK, so you got the noobs, the clickers, the bloaters, and then these assholes that are supposed to be the sneaky beaky sort. In the game, they were supposed to be more advanced, but they didn't feel that much different from the noobs. Here is to hoping that the TV show can correct this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Designer1 Posted February 6, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted February 6, 2023 2 hours ago, Demitri_C said: I dont think this shows for me. Its very slow and abit boring. Apart from last 5 seconds just want much happening Think im done with it going to move onto something else Nothing wrong with the acting its very good its just the show itself its abit meh I think sometimes TV Shows, movies etc etc just don't click for some people like they do for the majority. I think it's absolutely top tier stuff but each to their own 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 13 minutes ago, Designer1 said: I think sometimes TV Shows, movies etc etc just don't click for some people like they do for the majority. I think it's absolutely top tier stuff but each to their own Consider me a clicker for this one, then 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted February 7, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted February 7, 2023 On 05/02/2023 at 16:44, maqroll said: I love the apocalyptic survival theme but hate zombie gore, so I shut it off halfway through the first episode. I'd much rather their adversaries be other humans and not the fantastical zombies. I don't think there's been an infected since ep 1 and episode 5 is out next. I could see some folks arguing that there's not enough of them to be honest. Didn't the game have a subway section in Boston that was zombie intense? That's obviously been cut from the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 8 hours ago, Designer1 said: I think sometimes TV Shows, movies etc etc just don't click for some people like they do for the majority. I think it's absolutely top tier stuff but each to their own Yeah 100% agree mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picicata Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 8 hours ago, Designer1 said: I think sometimes TV Shows, movies etc etc just don't click for some people like they do for the majority. I think it's absolutely top tier stuff but each to their own I have tried watching Breaking Bad at least twice, getting several episodes in, before losing all interest and I know how highly people regard that series. It's ok not to like something 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizzzle Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 IMO all the episodes so far have been of equal quality, good but nothing amazing. I really don't get the cum fest over episode 3 either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 On 06/02/2023 at 09:34, Jareth said: Well ep 4 has things back on track. Far more like it. A bit less gay you mean? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 It was probably my least favourite episode of the 4; it was slower, but it allows the story to grow and breathe so I'm not mad at it. Looking forward to next week, gonna be a good one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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