useless Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 Buendia and Bailey were good signings, not our fault Bailey got injured, ings signing I didn't really understand, but at the same time I wouldn't call him a bad signing, as always useful to have a player like him available, and we have to remember that £20m these days isn't a great deal of money for Premier League attacker these days, you don't expect world beaters for those kind of sums anymore, could say the same for what we paid for Buendia and Bailey really. It's not been the new signings fault they've we had a disappointing season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTTERDAM1982 Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 The owners are worth £10 billion by the way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted April 23, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted April 23, 2022 6 minutes ago, Xela said: What about Barcelona? Surrounded him with quality players ........ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 Just now, ROTTERDAM1982 said: The owners are worth £10 billion by the way FFP doesn't give a toss though mate. I get your point, my main concern with Coutinho is the money However as you say, the owners will know best about their own finances Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 1 minute ago, useless said: Buendia and Bailey were good signings, not our fault Bailey got injured, ings signing I didn't really understand, but at the same time I wouldn't call him a bad signing, as always useful to have a player like him available, and we have to remember that £20m these days isn't a great deal of money for Premier League attacker these days, you don't expect world beaters for those kind of sums anymore, could say the same for what we paid for Buendia and Bailey really. It's not been the new signings fault they've we had a disappointing season. Clearly, something has to give. We have 0 formations that can include all of Coutinho, Buendia, Bailey and Ings, and only one (that Gerrard would seemingly consider) that involves 3 of them. Most of the time we only play with 2 of them, plus we start Watkins almost every game. The actual result is that they're all out of form, and only Coutinho plays regularly (still out of form). If we're going to go out and buy yet more attackers this summer, some of these players are going to have to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTTERDAM1982 Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 I thought FFP was dead. Didnt a club threaten to take it to court? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, tinker said: Surrounded him with quality players ........ He did ok there when he played? First 2 seasons they won the league then he went to Bayern and won the ECL. It was probably more of a case that they didn't really need him (like Citeh and Jack). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_eristic Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 I'd be interested in seeing the stats and... heat maps..., but it felt like Leicester were consciously keeping the ball coming down our right side, particularly in the first half, both far away from Coutinho and in the zones of some of our weaker passers, in the McGinn/Cash/Konsa triangle, where balls enter and are mysteriously never seen with a Villa player again. Very much the same way teams would try to starve JG of the ball knowing we weren't up to much otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 29 minutes ago, the_eristic said: I'd be interested in seeing the stats and... heat maps..., but it felt like Leicester were consciously keeping the ball coming down our right side, particularly in the first half, both far away from Coutinho and in the zones of some of our weaker passers, in the McGinn/Cash/Konsa triangle, where balls enter and are mysteriously never seen with a Villa player again. Very much the same way teams would try to starve JG of the ball knowing we weren't up to much otherwise. a lot of our players would play much better, if the ball magically disappeared..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted April 23, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted April 23, 2022 2 hours ago, Xela said: He did ok there when he played? First 2 seasons they won the league then he went to Bayern and won the ECL. It was probably more of a case that they didn't really need him (like Citeh and Jack). I won't dispute that parts of his game are world class, my point is he's a luxury we can't afford . We need strength in other areas far more than we need him. We have about 5 players who can play where he's playing and while none of them have his vision they are better at other parts of the game and they won't monopolies our budget either . It's been fun but let's not get to carried away with him. Be interesting to see if he starts the next game after today's performance and Beundia's cameo , will say alot about Gerrard if he does. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam-AVFC Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 6 hours ago, ROTTERDAM1982 said: I thought FFP was dead. Didnt a club threaten to take it to court? It isn't. Probably, but why would that mean it was dead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul514 Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 I have come to the conclusion that we would be foolish to sign him for the money and wages Barcelona and Coutinho would want. He hasn't shown enough consistently, he takes a place in the team instead of players we currently own and will be here long term, and I feel opposition teams are forcing him out of the game tactially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 The guy is supremely talented but has played 13 games since arriving and hasnt done much in 8 of them. Its obvious we have designed a disgraceful system to try get best out of him but sadly he is not worth the cost going forward I do wonder how great he would be with an intelligent, tactically astute manager in charge 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 He's Brazil's no.10. But he needs to be in a team of equal talents - he doesn't scrap like Buendia and unless we sign 4 brand new uber talents then I don't see how Coutinho fits- and that's gonna be a massive tragedy for us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 36 minutes ago, paul514 said: I have come to the conclusion that we would be foolish to sign him for the money and wages Barcelona and Coutinho would want. He hasn't shown enough consistently, he takes a place in the team instead of players we currently own and will be here long term, and I feel opposition teams are forcing him out of the game tactially. He's not as good as Jack was for us, nowhere near. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul514 Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 16 minutes ago, Tom13 said: He's not as good as Jack was for us, nowhere near. Well that’s a tall order to be fair, there is a reason he sold for so much last summer whereas Coutinho went some time ago for his big fee. It just isn’t working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WallisFrizz Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 4 hours ago, Jareth said: He's Brazil's no.10. But he needs to be in a team of equal talents - he doesn't scrap like Buendia and unless we sign 4 brand new uber talents then I don't see how Coutinho fits- and that's gonna be a massive tragedy for us. I’ve got a feeling we’re going to see him go to a team who can retain the ball better and flourish again. Hopefully not in the PL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 There hasn't been a single game where he has influenced the game through 90 minutes. I think he's capable of moments of brilliance we've rarely seen at villa park before but it's also got financial disaster written all over it. I'd also be weary of signing him because what happens if Gerrard doesn't work out? He's not here for any other reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 8 minutes ago, DCJonah said: There hasn't been a single game where he has influenced the game through 90 minutes. I think he's capable of moments of brilliance we've rarely seen at villa park before but it's also got financial disaster written all over it. I'd also be weary of signing him because what happens if Gerrard doesn't work out? He's not here for any other reason. That last part is true, for sure. He also seems to be the kind of player that struggles if he isn’t the main man and with an arm round him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 Gerrards system is not complimenting alot of our players and coutinho is one of them. I simply dont get the logic of the appointment when we have spent so much money on wingers and attacking pkayers but we dont play to their strengths. Countinho is one of the players this is effecting. There is no doubt about ut in my mind 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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