Delphinho123 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Time for this lad to get some minutes in the first team. Would love him to break through this season. Anyone know if he prefers to play on the left or the right? My only criticism would be he’s quite lightweight atm, does he need to bulk up or could he stay at this weight/level of muscle and if not affect his progress? Genuine question. Grealish had a similar build when he was 20 and look at him now. He really benefitted from some serious muscle gain. Just wondering if this lad could use a similar programme. Exciting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted August 31, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted August 31, 2021 9 minutes ago, Delphinho123 said: Time for this lad to get some minutes in the first team. Would love him to break through this season. Anyone know if he prefers to play on the left or the right? My only criticism would be he’s quite lightweight atm, does he need to bulk up or could he stay at this weight/level of muscle and if not affect his progress? Genuine question. Grealish had a similar build when he was 20 and look at him now. He really benefitted from some serious muscle gain. Just wondering if this lad could use a similar programme. Exciting. I do not think he’s weight will be a problem as he tends to glide and has very quick feet. The second goal was with his left and he absolutely hammered it. Really do not think he is far off 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Any highlights of the goals on Twitter anywhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Follyfoot said: I do not think he’s weight will be a problem as he tends to glide and has very quick feet. The second goal was with his left and he absolutely hammered it. Really do not think he is far off Great. I’ve watched him a few times for the youth teams and he is so quick dribbling with the ball at his feet. Would bloody love it if he came through this year. Still felt a loan to the championship would have done him good but if they want to keep him around then fair enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Controversial opinion. From what I've seen this guy seem a bigger talent than Carney. Excited to see more from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 I think he will get games this season with players on international duty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rightdm00 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 32 minutes ago, useless said: It doesn't really matter who is the better out of Carney Chukwuemeka and Philogene-Bidace, not sure what the fascination is with constantly piting our youngsters against each other, it's not as if we're only allowed one extremely talented youth player. Both have been massively impressive, it's not even as if they play the same position. JPB is almost 2 years older. The fact that they are even in the same comparison speaks much more highly of Carney IMO. In the end, though, I agree. Declaring one better than the other at such differing stages of development is a fool's errand. Best to just be happy we have players ready to make the jump and continue progressing. Hopefully this time we don't let our youth team winger run out his contact and win a PL title with a different club . 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 8 minutes ago, villalad21 said: Controversial opinion. From what I've seen this guy seem a bigger talent than Carney. Excited to see more from him. If that's your threshold, you ought to have the controversial opinion disclaimer on most of your posts 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, Davkaus said: If that's your threshold, you ought to have the controversial opinion disclaimer on most of your posts Lol, exactly! Thats probably the most uncontroversial thing I’ve heard from Villalad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 His dribbling and running style reminds me of Shaun Wright Phillips before his Chelsea move but he has a brain as well which very few wingers have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPJCB Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 33 minutes ago, villalad21 said: Controversial opinion. From what I've seen this guy seem a bigger talent than Carney. Excited to see more from him. My sense is that he might adapt somewhat better to senior football as he strikes me as a very mature/ intelligent player for his years whereas Carney still looks a little overawed at times. Carney reminds me a little of the way we thought of delfouneso 10 years or so ago. He absolutely destroyed youth teams because he was so much more physically dominant but struggled a little with the step up partly because of confidence/not being the main man. Compare that to Albrighton who was somewhat less rated but became a much more consistent player at a senior level I think partly because of his mentality- JPB reminds me a little of those qualities. all early days of course and I’d love to see them both succeed but I thought JPB was the stand out player of the younger lads in the barrow game as his composure was next level 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, JPJCB said: My sense is that he might adapt somewhat better to senior football as he strikes me as a very mature/ intelligent player for his years whereas Carney still looks a little overawed at times. Carney reminds me a little of the way we thought of delfouneso 10 years or so ago. He absolutely destroyed youth teams because he was so much more physically dominant but struggled a little with the step up partly because of confidence/not being the main man. Compare that to Albrighton who was somewhat less rated but became a much more consistent player at a senior level I think partly because of his mentality- JPB reminds me a little of those qualities. all early days of course and I’d love to see them both succeed but I thought JPB was the stand out player of the younger lads in the barrow game as his composure was next level JPB is a bit older though, not sure he was even eligible for the youth cup last season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Inspiration Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 6 hours ago, villalad21 said: Controversial opinion. From what I've seen this guy seem a bigger talent than Carney. Excited to see more from him. This is where I am currently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdulaziz1 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 I'm really excited with the fact that we'll be giving our youngsters chances. It would give us a good PR too regarding that aspect. It's the only way we might get someone like Grealish again (or near to his quality). Not all will work. But to use them as squad players, if anyone stepped up to become a starter then that would mean we'd have a 25-30m player in our hand. Otherwise we're having assets to cash in after having them filling our squad which would benefit all parties. JPB is now our 5th choice winger, he could be 4th or even 3rd at the end of the season. If he did that then that would mean him pushing for some starts (If he became ahead Traore then that would mean he'd have a great future). Anyway, at this rate, he'll be able to replace El Ghazi/Trez. Him, Traore and Barry to fill the squad for our wingers (depends on Cairney and A.Ramsey who can fill that position if needed). The fact that we can change Elmo, Guilbert, Hourihane, Wesley, Trez, El Ghazi, Samatta, Taylor and Barkley. By Kesler, Barry, Cairney, JPB, J.Ramsey, A.Ramsey, Archer. Without feeling that we've down graded our quality would be a huge improvement, financially and quality wise (if half of them has been succesful). Ramsey showed that a youngster could be ready more than some of the experienced if he had the ability. He looked better than Barkley, and he added value in the game he played this season. The 20 games he played last season gave him a lot of confidence. A.Ramsey and Carney are more highly rated than him so hopefully we can see some of those making the step up. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 I think Carney might be the overrated one ( currently ) however there is no real way of knowing that. The coaching staff will know his ceiling, he's younger than JPB as well. I'm thinking, it's probably harder for a CM to get recognition or imprint at higher levels because the job isn't as flashy as attacking/wide players. JBP looks brilliant though, and Archer is just so cool in front of goal it's ridiculous. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyexists Posted September 1, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted September 1, 2021 4 hours ago, Farlz said: Archer looked brilliant in the game yesterday. JPB is such a talent too, exciting times! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 We've got a good'un here haven't we. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rightdm00 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 5 hours ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: I think Carney might be the overrated one ( currently ) however there is no real way of knowing that. The coaching staff will know his ceiling, he's younger than JPB as well. I'm thinking, it's probably harder for a CM to get recognition or imprint at higher levels because the job isn't as flashy as attacking/wide players. JBP looks brilliant though, and Archer is just so cool in front of goal it's ridiculous. I agree fully on the CM part. It's more of a technical position. Your physical attributes help but no where near as much for a winger. Some wide me make whole careers just off of raw pace. Jack's development was always a little funny because of that. He had all the technical skills and his pace came pretty late in his progression. Never seen it happen that way before. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinRichardsonsMoustache Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Cracking player, but I think Carney has greater maturity in his game. JWB is far more raw. More polish (see the last assist versus Barrow) and this guy will be some player. Can't wait to see where his ceiling is: better than Louie? Or Andre Green II? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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