useless Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 He's just unlucky that we have so many wingers or players that play in that wide forward position at the moment, Archer's sudden emergence has probably meant he's had less game time than he otherwise would have done as well. Also have to remember that he's fairly new to club football, signed for us around the age of sixteen and didn't have a team before that, we spotted him at an academy for players without a club, so despite his age is less experienced than even some of our academy players that are younger than him who will have been with us or other clubs from a very early age. Find him the right club and I'm sure he will do well on loan, when he comes back chances are we will be looking to move on Trezeguet and El Ghazi, and there will probably be scope for him to take their place squad, behind Buendia, Traore, and Bailey, not sure what will happen with Coutinho beyond this season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messi11 Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 Glad to see him come on against Manchester United. Be interesting to see if he comes on again on Saturday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwi1890 Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 29 minutes ago, messi11 said: Glad to see him come on against Manchester United. Be interesting to see if he comes on again on Saturday Hopefully Coutinho comes of the bench Saturday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messi11 Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 On His way to Stoke! go Jaden! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted January 19, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted January 19, 2022 1 minute ago, messi11 said: On His way to Stoke! go Jaden! Hope he owns a woolly hat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulMcGrath_5 Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 Ergh not stoke. Would rather it was a club like Blackburn or QPR Ithink JPB will be a absolute menace in championship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedClaretAndBlue Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 What contract does he have right now anyone know? He was another being looked at by a few in the Bundesliga I think and they all come circling when contracts are running down. Really like the look of JPB and is one id like to see us keep hold of and develop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 His contract is until summer 2024. I do feel he will need a second loan next season too. He needs a run of games at a high enough level to show his talents. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 This will be the highest level any of our current academy players have been loaned to, Stoke one of the better championship teams as well, or at least insofar that they're competing to make the play-offs. So he's done well in that sense, but will have to do well to make the team, it's interesting looking on the Stoke forum seeming them say they don't play with wingers, so that could one of the reasons we're sending him there as practice for Gerrard's system, they apparently play 3421. So if he's to play he will have to get into their team as one of the two behind the striker, competing with the likes of Campbell, Powell, Ince, Vranic, D'Margio Wright-Phillips made his debut for them recently as well and apparently played very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_Afro Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 I know he is highly rated but I have never seen anything in him to suggest that he can be a PL player. This will be a great opportunity for him to prove me wrong. Good luck to the lad, I really hope he can show us what he’s about. It’s really interesting watching our youngsters on loan. Hopefully a few more will get a chance too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted January 19, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted January 19, 2022 Winter in Stoke.... Isn't this the ultimate test? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWARLEY2 Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 1 hour ago, M_Afro said: I know he is highly rated but I have never seen anything in him to suggest that he can be a PL player. This will be a great opportunity for him to prove me wrong. Good luck to the lad, I really hope he can show us what he’s about. It’s really interesting watching our youngsters on loan. Hopefully a few more will get a chance too. Theres talent in there. Massive talent. Whether that translates into the prem is another question. I hate to say it but i can see this loan going tits up for him as its the same situation as Louie Barry at Ipswich. Lots of competition for places and most of them older than him .i truly hope he succeeds though as he has such brilliant skills and is more of a team player than you would imagine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powehi Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 4 hours ago, Demitri_C said: Ergh not stoke. Would rather it was a club like Blackburn or QPR Ithink JPB will be a absolute menace in championship I don't really have those tribal views when it comes to loaning players, even to the bluenoses. He's still ours and I don't view them as tainted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry'sboots Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, MWARLEY2 said: Theres talent in there. Massive talent. Whether that translates into the prem is another question. I hate to say it but i can see this loan going tits up for him as its the same situation as Louie Barry at Ipswich. Lots of competition for places and most of them older than him .i truly hope he succeeds though as he has such brilliant skills and is more of a team player than you would imagine I wouldn't disagree. It would probably have been better to get him to, say, Derby (if they could sign loan players) or a league one club for his first loan, let him prove himself and earn a loan to a better championship side next season. Having said that, I hope that he can force his way into the Stoke team and smash it there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 As above Stoke play a similar system to us, in that they rely on width from the fullbacks and the wingers play more like No.10s or inside forwards, so I imagine that's played a part into why he's going there. Also he's older than some of the other academy players we've sent out on loan, so there will be more of a pressing need to see if he can cope at a level as close to the Premier League as possible, and also if he's good enough to get into the Stoke team ahead of Championship level players, because that's what he's going to have to prove if he's to have any chance of getting into our team. Another reason he's going to Stoke, and perhaps the most important, is that they will rate him highly, it's all very well us wanting to send him to a club at that level but a club at that level has got to want him first, that that's what's happened is a good sign. Not expecting him to necessarily start every week, but if he can get a decent amount of game time then it will be a good move for him, wouldn't put it past him getting a few goals as that seems to be something he's had a knack for at every level he's played at. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 would he get in the stoke first 11? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLegendOfLeonBailey31 Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 Excited for him to go on loan. Really hoping he starts consistently. One of my favorite academy players. Best of luck JPB! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 12 hours ago, Nigel said: Winter in Stoke.... Isn't this the ultimate test? Football's litmus test! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messi11 Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 13 hours ago, TheLegendOfLeonBailey31 said: Excited for him to go on loan. Really hoping he starts consistently. One of my favorite academy players. Best of luck JPB! Yes def! I say he's a bigger talent then Jacob Ramsey. Time for him to show it, According to reports he been promised the number 10 role for stoke which is odd. I think he def gets in the stoke team 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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