sidcow Posted October 15, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted October 15, 2020 6 hours ago, John said: We also have a Villa fan (Mervyn King) on the group that are suggesting this. Well that worked out well the last time he was involved. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 I paid 50 something pound a month for mine and my boys season ticket. I reakon £15 a game means I'll probably be paying more to watch us on the box than in person Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 When it comes to the bailout, I think a big question is...Why should they? It'd be great if they did, and probably better for the sport, but should they be forced to? Is Tesco being told to bail out other grocers? Is Costa bailing out smaller coffee shops? It seems odd that there's an expectation that in football, the bigger companies will help the smaller ones get through it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 21 minutes ago, Davkaus said: When it comes to the bailout, I think a big question is...Why should they? It'd be great if they did, and probably better for the sport, but should they be forced to? Is Tesco being told to bail out other grocers? Is Costa bailing out smaller coffee shops? It seems odd that there's an expectation that in football, the bigger companies will help the smaller ones get through it. Its a tough one. A lot of teams have benefited by happening to be in the top division when the Premier League was formed and they've grown far wealthier as a result. Teams in the top division when I was young like Forest, Sheff Wed, Luton, Coventry, etc, missed out on huge riches just by timing and luck to an extent. Tesco's in this analogy are getting more money thrown at them just by being part of a certain club while the other grocers who missed out are getting nothing. A case of the rich getting richer. Maybe. I know what I mean! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 46 minutes ago, Davkaus said: When it comes to the bailout, I think a big question is...Why should they? It'd be great if they did, and probably better for the sport, but should they be forced to? Is Tesco being told to bail out other grocers? Is Costa bailing out smaller coffee shops? It seems odd that there's an expectation that in football, the bigger companies will help the smaller ones get through it. The whole point of sport is the competition between teams. If you apply a capitalist ‘survival of the fittest’ mentally and let all the teams below the PL go to the wall then you have shot yourself in the foot as the quality and interest in the PL league would diminish. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Davkaus said: When it comes to the bailout, I think a big question is...Why should they? It'd be great if they did, and probably better for the sport, but should they be forced to? Is Tesco being told to bail out other grocers? Is Costa bailing out smaller coffee shops? It seems odd that there's an expectation that in football, the bigger companies will help the smaller ones get through it. Sorry I don't think thats a very good analogy. Football can't survive without competition. With all the money the Premier League clubs have and the obscene amount thats has been spent on transfers fees they have a moral obligation to support the clubs in the lower tier of english football. If Coronavirus had happened 20/30 years ago every club would have gone out of business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 3 hours ago, Davkaus said: When it comes to the bailout, I think a big question is...Why should they? It'd be great if they did, and probably better for the sport, but should they be forced to? Is Tesco being told to bail out other grocers? Is Costa bailing out smaller coffee shops? It seems odd that there's an expectation that in football, the bigger companies will help the smaller ones get through it. well they definitely should BUT the issue is the clubs that Go Big with the Premier League money and waste it. I think clubs in League 1 and League 2 deserve some sort of support but I dont have much sympathy for top flight teams that went down to the Championship with no plans(I include Villa under Lerner in this) or Championship clubs chasing the dream Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 10 hours ago, Zatman said: well they definitely should BUT the issue is the clubs that Go Big with the Premier League money and waste it. I think clubs in League 1 and League 2 deserve some sort of support but I dont have much sympathy for top flight teams that went down to the Championship with no plans(I include Villa under Lerner in this) or Championship clubs chasing the dream Surely 'Villa under Lerner' is an example of how vastly more complicated the whole issue is than is being made out. Lots of people on both threads are saying that clubs should 'live within their means', but that's exactly what post-2010 Villa attempted to do under Lerner. Transfer spending was massively cut back, high earners were attempted to be forced out of the club ('the bomb squad'), and what was the result? Inevitably, eventual relegation through squad degradation. Many of the same people banging the 'live within your means' drum would have been banging the 'showing no ambition, circling the drain' drum 6 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted October 16, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted October 16, 2020 12 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: Surely 'Villa under Lerner' is an example of how vastly more complicated the whole issue is than is being made out. Lots of people on both threads are saying that clubs should 'live within their means', but that's exactly what post-2010 Villa attempted to do under Lerner. Transfer spending was massively cut back, high earners were attempted to be forced out of the club ('the bomb squad'), and what was the result? Inevitably, eventual relegation through squad degradation. Many of the same people banging the 'live within your means' drum would have been banging the 'showing no ambition, circling the drain' drum 6 years ago. We had to massively underspend in those days because of ludicrous overspending in the years before spending massive transfer fees and outrageous wages on a bunch of really average players. Even then there were still ways to muddle through but again we just employed the wrong managers and bought the wrong budget players. I don't think what happened in the later Lerner years is worthy of any comparison of what happens in football. We were about as badly run as its possible for a club to be run. Look at Burnley, Crystal Palace (OK mainly probably due to Woy) Bournemouth for a number of years and most especially Leicester. Well run clubs who make good decisions can compete and do well on limited budgets. We were poster boys for what happens when you get a ton of money and throw it around without any plan. Even then we could have carried on being reasonably successful if Randy hadn't turned the money tap off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 12 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: Surely 'Villa under Lerner' is an example of how vastly more complicated the whole issue is than is being made out. Lots of people on both threads are saying that clubs should 'live within their means', but that's exactly what post-2010 Villa attempted to do under Lerner. Transfer spending was massively cut back, high earners were attempted to be forced out of the club ('the bomb squad'), and what was the result? Inevitably, eventual relegation through squad degradation. Many of the same people banging the 'live within your means' drum would have been banging the 'showing no ambition, circling the drain' drum 6 years ago. I actually thought it was refreshing when we were signing the lower league randoms in 2012. They weren't all bad as Lowton and Westwood have since proved (although we probably should've stopped there rather than attempt to mould Bowery into the new Gabby...) and other teams like Sheffield and Burnley have proved you can carve out competitive premier league teams with those sort of players. Some were out of their depth but they weren't all bad. Would've loved us to become a top 10 team at least with that sort of set up but we forgot to add the experienced premier league player into that mix which costs money. At least we've learning that this time with Ross Barkley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rino8 Posted October 16, 2020 Visiting Supporter Share Posted October 16, 2020 1 hour ago, sidcow said: We were poster boys for what happens when you get a ton of money and throw it around without any plan. You sure about that? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Silvers Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 I pray to the baby Jesus and all the little angels in heaven in the hope that ManU (not a chance while VAR has a say in the matter) and west ham and Southampton get relegated this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted October 17, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted October 17, 2020 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Phil Silvers said: I pray to the baby Jesus and all the little angels in heaven in the hope that ManU (not a chance while VAR has a say in the matter) and west ham and Southampton get relegated this season. Zero chance United go down. I would so so love it if they did but their squad even as bad as it is compared to what it should be for the amount spent is still going to finish top half. Also they would by then have got rid of Solskjaer and employed a proper manager. And of course spend £500m in January if they're looking remotely like going down by then. Sadly it's just almost impossible to see United ever getting relegated. Edited October 17, 2020 by sidcow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villaphan04 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 this season is one of the most recent seasons where I have absolutely no clue how it'll shape out. I had thought that Liverpool was going to stroll the league, but I can't see that now with VVD missing probably the rest of the year. will be a very fascinating season no matter what. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted October 18, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted October 18, 2020 Someones about to have a horrible result in the Fulham v Sheffield game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 Welbeck signed for Brighton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 SU looking like the better side so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 To be fair to Fulham, they play some nice stuff but they look SO soft at the back, and toothless going forward. Seems like they've panicked and shoved a load of new signings into the team again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 9 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: To be fair to Fulham, they play some nice stuff but they look SO soft at the back, and toothless going forward. Seems like they've panicked and shoved a load of new signings into the team again. One of their new defenders got injured. Sheffield United surely got to put Brewster on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 Berge looks a baller. So big and powerful. He just bulldoze his way past players like Yaya Toure used to do. Impressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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