Seat68 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, villakram said: Yes, and for some reason the usual crowd are drilling down on me but not the original poster, who went off on one a little. No biggie, I just pointed it out and made some fun of it. You may do it, but one cannot generally debate by themselves or it's not particularly healthy to do so. Feel free to take some of the blame. Oi! No drill down from me. I have stood back from this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Seat68 said: Oi! No drill down from me. I have stood back from this! I apologize sincerely kind sir. You are truly the best of us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Seat68 said: Oi! No drill down from me. I have stood back from this! Drill baby drill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 13, 2020 Moderator Share Posted November 13, 2020 1 hour ago, villakram said: I apologize sincerely kind sir. You are truly the best of us. Behave yourself, he's a right country Music fan 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 3 hours ago, The Fun Factory said: Utterly revolting given his comments on the military and his treatment of Senator McCain. He was right on McCain to be fair, as well as dodging the draft himself. Broken clock, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 5 hours ago, Genie said: Me too. If he has that many followers of his brand of leadership then Trump 2.0 could be in with a good shout if the opposition doesn’t manage to get so many people off their backsides to vote again. Then if one of his offspring did get the top job whilst he was still alive he’d be pulling the strings from behind the scenes which would be even worse. Can the Republicans let things quieten down a year or two and then ban the Trumps from the party? I'm not sure the GOP would want a repeat of all this, they can easily just choose some other nasty bastard who is actually a politician without all the circus. I don't know how it works with people running to be a candidate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 (edited) 22 minutes ago, sharkyvilla said: Can the Republicans let things quieten down a year or two and then ban the Trumps from the party? I'm not sure the GOP would want a repeat of all this, they can easily just choose some other nasty bastard who is actually a politician without all the circus. I don't know how it works with people running to be a candidate. Not how it works over there. You self-identify, or not, as you see fit. There isn't a structure in place for such a ban to occur. Being "banned from being a Republican" is no more a thing over there than being banned from liking football or banned from enjoying Chinese food. You don't even need to identify as part of the party to run for President under that name, as Sanders has shown. Edited November 13, 2020 by ml1dch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted November 13, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted November 13, 2020 14 minutes ago, sharkyvilla said: Can the Republicans let things quieten down a year or two and then ban the Trumps from the party? I'm not sure the GOP would want a repeat of all this, they can easily just choose some other nasty bastard who is actually a politician without all the circus. I don't know how it works with people running to be a candidate. This is key for me. Whether your country is leaning to the left or the right, you still need someone with a couple of brain cells, who actually knows how to do the job, not a TV host, a comedian or a rapper. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lichfield Dean Posted November 13, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted November 13, 2020 1 hour ago, mjmooney said: This is key for me. Whether your country is leaning to the left or the right, you still need someone with a couple of brain cells, who actually knows how to do the job, not a TV host, a comedian or a rapper. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 1 hour ago, mjmooney said: This is key for me. Whether your country is leaning to the left or the right, you still need someone with a couple of brain cells, who actually knows how to do the job, not a TV host, a comedian or a rapper. Who actually knows how to do the job of president though? It's not like becoming a PM where the contenders are generally leaders of actual parties. Literally anyone can run for president, and it's usually a senator or something who wins. It's also not the first time the US has had a TV/movie star president either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 13, 2020 Moderator Share Posted November 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, Keyblade said: Who actually knows how to do the job of president though? It's not like becoming a PM where the contenders are generally leaders of actual parties. Literally anyone can run for president, and it's usually a senator or something who wins. It's also not the first time the US has had a TV/movie star president either. Yeah but at least Reagan was Governor of California and had a long history in politics 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 2 hours ago, sharkyvilla said: Can the Republicans let things quieten down a year or two and then ban the Trumps from the party? I'm not sure the GOP would want a repeat of all this, they can easily just choose some other nasty bastard who is actually a politician without all the circus. I don't know how it works with people running to be a candidate. Perhaps, but the current trajectory would have the republican becoming the party of the working classes, while the democrats would be the part of the educated elite. ... and all votes are equal regardless of the condescending commentary from people in morally "superior" positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted November 13, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted November 13, 2020 It's been very amusing watching you @villakram get so precious about me calling Melania a whore. I hope you had a swooning couch nearby as your sensibilities were so offended Of course she only married Donald for his good looks and charm - how could I think anything else? I also mentioned the kids in cages in regard to her because she on as tape as saying "give me f******g break" when talking about the kids in cages. Maybe you and others weren't aware of her comments? I thought it was quite well publicized that she had said that. Obviously a lovely lady. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/melania-trump-tape-recording-children-cages-border-christmas-decorations-b744562.html Quote Melania Trump has been heard on tape talking about criticism she faced over children separated from their parents at the border in a recording played by CNN’s Anderson Cooper. The First Lady can be heard saying: “Give me a f***ing break.” As another poster said; You tried to equate the Obama era policy of separating immigrant children from bandits, and the Trump administration separation as deterrent policy, as the same. They are very different. But don't let something technical like truth get in the way of trying to have a dig eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted November 13, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted November 13, 2020 (edited) 34 minutes ago, villakram said: Perhaps, but the current trajectory would have the republican becoming the party of the working classes, while the democrats would be the part of the educated elite. ... and all votes are equal regardless of the condescending commentary from people in morally "superior" positions. That's just not true is it. One of those lines thrown out "the party of the elite" makes them sound like somekind of tiny minority of monied aristocracy. They got 78m votes. It's hardly just the Elite voting for them is it? All just part of the rhetoric to put a downer on them. Who is the multi billionaire in this contest? Representing the elite is cunning use of language to make things appear to be what they are not. Edited November 13, 2020 by sidcow 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chrisp65 Posted November 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 13, 2020 Accuse the other side of being the elite and you’re on to a winner with people that don’t like spending too much time thinking. Worked a treat for the people behind Brexit. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 13 minutes ago, sidcow said: That's just not true is it. One of those lines thrown out "the party of the elite" makes them sound like somekind of tiny minority of monied aristocracy. They got 78m votes. It's hardly just the Elite voting for them is it? All just part of the rhetoric to put a downer on them. Who is the multi billionaire in this contest? Representing the elite is cunning use of language to make things appear to be what they are not. Sure, but what I'm trying to get at is that the classical picture has the democrats as the working class party and the republicans as the party of the elite, or more recently the reliance of the repubs on a weird religious block, which they've now managed to broaden into working class areas. So, yes getting rid of Trump and the methodology of how he has taken control (all democratic one might note) might be desirable, but i doubt they'll turn their back on the effective messaging he has revealed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted November 13, 2020 Moderator Share Posted November 13, 2020 Just now, villakram said: Sure, but what I'm trying to get at is that the classical picture has the democrats as the working class party and the republicans as the party of the elite, or more recently the reliance of the repubs on a weird religious block, which they've now managed to broaden into working class areas. So, yes getting rid of Trump and the methodology of how he has taken control (all democratic one might note) might be desirable, but i doubt they'll turn their back on the effective messaging he has revealed. I think you make a good point. It's the same here now. The Tories were the party of business (LOL) and Labour were the party of the working man. Media has shifted the perspective so that the Tories are now looking out for people who are fed up of migrants/scroungers/cripples pissing on their chips, and Labour are the party of transexuals and virtue signallers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 (edited) 44 minutes ago, TheAuthority said: It's been very amusing watching you @villakram get so precious about me calling Melania a whore. I hope you had a swooning couch nearby as your sensibilities were so offended Of course she only married Donald for his good looks and charm - how could I think anything else? I also mentioned the kids in cages in regard to her because she on as tape as saying "give me f******g break" when talking about the kids in cages. Maybe you and others weren't aware of her comments? I thought it was quite well publicized that she had said that. Obviously a lovely lady. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/melania-trump-tape-recording-children-cages-border-christmas-decorations-b744562.html As another poster said; You tried to equate the Obama era policy of separating immigrant children from bandits, and the Trump administration separation as deterrent policy, as the same. They are very different. But don't let something technical like truth get in the way of trying to have a dig eh? You could have stated it like this rather than in the crude manner. Seriously, go read Fox (maybe not so much anymore), but certainly Infowars or Breitbart and see how they discuss Michelle Obama or Obama himself, Pelosi, Schumer, AOC etc. Sure playing in the ditch from time to time can be fun, but there's no real reason to go live there. P.S. You're very welcome. I know it's been a stressful time. Edited November 13, 2020 by villakram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 1 hour ago, villakram said: Perhaps, but the current trajectory would have the republican becoming the party of the working classes, while the democrats would be the part of the educated elite. ... and all votes are equal regardless of the condescending commentary from people in morally "superior" positions. Is that true? I've read that people with lower incomes backed Biden over Trump. I guess it depends on the level of trajectory as to whether it will have an impact on future elections and which way the Republicans look for their next Presidential candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 The only people calling the Democrats the Party of the coastal elite, are Fox News, Breitbart, Limbaugh and Alex Jones etc. That should tell you everything about the veracity of that ludicrous caricature. Tell me once again just which party it is that wants to repeal the affordable care act, and deprive 20,000,000 of the poorest people in America of medical cover. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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