U.S. Presidential Election 2020

[snowychap]

21 hours ago, HanoiVillan said:

I remember there were a bunch of 'even Fox News' clips going round, so probably worth sharing some rather more typical content from the channel, which is host Lu Dobbs demanding of GOP Congressman Devin Nunes why elected Republicans aren't doing more to prevent the election results being called or certified:

Grim.

Lou Dobbs sounds like something one might catch after using a public convenience.

[a m ole]

46 minutes ago, snowychap said:

Lou Dobbs sounds like something one might catch after using a public convenience.

He looks like an overinflated Trump balloon

[sidcow]

1 hour ago, Amsterdam_Neil_D said:

I don't understand what purpose he thinks the tweets will achieve ? 

 

Rage amongst his 72m supporters who believe EVERYTHING he writes. You can't interpret these tweets with the mind of a rational person. 

[Amsterdam_Neil_D]

56 minutes ago, sidcow said:

Rage amongst his 72m supporters who believe EVERYTHING he writes. You can't interpret these tweets with the mind of a rational person. 

To be honest I didn't think of that,   we are probably not supposed to read them as they are not for us. 

To his supporters I suppose they just take his word as gospel now,  no questions asked.

My thought now is that he is busy putting blocks in place for a successful Biden presidency,  he will run in 4 years and get back in. 

The only variable he needs to worry about is how stupid can a voter be ?

[HanoiVillan]

My assumption is also that he will run again in 4 years, but not a very confident assumption. 4 years is a long time in politics, and realities might shift a lot. What's more, it's far from guaranteed his health - physical and/or mental - will hold up.

But I certainly think his ego will be pushing him towards running again right now.

[AXD]

7 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said:

My assumption is also that he will run again in 4 years, but not a very confident assumption. 4 years is a long time in politics, and realities might shift a lot. What's more, it's far from guaranteed his health - physical and/or mental - will hold up.

But I certainly think his ego will be pushing him towards running again right now.

As long as he can remember "person, woman, man, camera, TV" he will be fine

[cyrusr]

20 hours ago, bickster said:

Where did you get this map? Trying to find the reverse one i.e. when last time each state voted Blue. 

[StefanAVFC]

3 hours ago, Amsterdam_Neil_D said:

I don't understand what purpose he thinks the tweets will achieve ? 

 

Divide and conquer

[jimmygreaves]

5 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said:

Divide and conquer

Nope.... He's not that clever... The only thing he's good at, and he is really good at it, is keeping himself relevant and in the conversation.

Being in the public eye is his oxygen. We've all known this for years.

[LondonLax]

25 minutes ago, cyrusr said:

Where did you get this map? Trying to find the reverse one i.e. when last time each state voted Blue. 

It's interesting because up until as recently as the 1960s 'The South' was Democrat heartland and the Democrats in power there actively worked to disenfranchise and suppress black voters to maintain power for the wealthy white landowners. It wasn't until JFK campaigned on civil rights in the south that the Democrats lost those voters with Richard Nixon's Republicans picking them up and holding them ever since. 

Funny how things change. 

Edited November 16, 2020 by LondonLax

[rjw63]

8 minutes ago, jimmygreaves said:

Nope.... He's not that clever... The only thing he's good at, and he is really good at it, is keeping himself relevant and in the conversation.

Being in the public eye is his oxygen. We've all known this for years.

7-1 Jim, 7-1...   I remember

[sne]

Wonder if Melania will still be allowed to get her divorce if Trump plans to run in 2024? He'll lose a lot of those Christian family values voters if he runs as a newly divorced guy I'd imagine.

Just like most I've been convinced that it say in her contract that she can divorce once he's no longer president and still get the big pay off. But if he's running again he needs a wife so how is that going to work.

 

[Davkaus]

1 hour ago, HanoiVillan said:

My assumption is also that he will run again in 4 years, but not a very confident assumption. 4 years is a long time in politics, and realities might shift a lot. What's more, it's far from guaranteed his health - physical and/or mental - will hold up.

But I certainly think his ego will be pushing him towards running again right now.

I'm hoping we see convicted president Trump running as an independent candidate from New York state prison, with his cellmate "mad dog" as Vice President.

[Amsterdam_Neil_D]

 

35 minutes ago, jimmygreaves said:

43 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said:

Divide and conquer

Nope.... He's not that clever... The only thing he's good at, and he is really good at it, is keeping himself relevant and in the conversation.

Being in the public eye is his oxygen. We've all known this for years.

Weaponised Political Conjunctivitis. 

[bickster]

1 hour ago, cyrusr said:

Where did you get this map? Trying to find the reverse one i.e. when last time each state voted Blue. 

I got it from r/mapporn on Reddit, I looked for a reverse map too, there wasn't currently one there. Someone may make one at some point I guess

[HanoiVillan]

1 hour ago, LondonLax said:

It's interesting because up until as recently as the 1960s 'The South' was Democrat heartland and the Democrats in power there actively worked to disenfranchise and suppress black voters to maintain power for the wealthy white landowners. It wasn't until JFK campaigned on civil rights in the south that the Democrats lost those voters with Richard Nixon's Republicans picking them up and holding them ever since. 

Funny how things change. 

It's interesting, in that the process of realignment actually took several decades. As you say, Nixon really began the end of the process with his 'southern strategy', but it took a long time before the map really reflected it. Here was Clinton's winning map in 1992, for instance:

It's notable how the southern states were genuinely split. The only red state on the map that has become reliably blue is Virginia, but there are lots of reliable red states that have undergone huges shifts (Louisiana, Arkansas - obviously it was Clinton's home state, which is also interesting, hard to imagine a Democrat presidential candidate from the south now - Missouri, Iowa, Tennessee, Montana, West Virginia). Even as late as the Bush administration, there was still a Democrat representing Georgia in the Senate (Zell Miller) who voted with Republicans nearly 100% of the time.

The actual start of the process was even earlier than the civil rights era as well. I'm pretty sure that a majority of African American voters voted for FDR in 1936. There's an interesting echo for the present in that too: New Deal policies mostly actually hurt African Americans in real terms (that's part of why there was a huge migration from the south to north after all), but the Roosevelt administration put effort into trying to attract African American voters. Eleanor Roosevelt was prominently friends with an African American woman and invited black musicians to play when the royals visited; the Roosevelt administration spent a lot of time and money advertising the New Deal to African American voters. The echo is in the fact that Trump really did put some effort into attracting minority votes this time, and while he - just like Roosevelt was - is undoubtedly pretty racist in his personal politics, there will always be minority voters who respond to outreach and an upbeat, sunny message about the economy.

One weird thing I've noticed is the narrative about Trump's signed stimulus cheques. Back when he was sending out these signed cheques, Democrats insisted that it was improper, and that he was buying votes with federal money. They were fundamentally correct, but now that the election has happened, and anecdotally a lot of low-income voters cited those personally-signed cheques as part of the reason for voting for him, there seems to have been a complete memory-holing of it. Giving people money and telling them the good times are coming is a good way to attract voters! Dems should do more of it IMO.

[HanoiVillan]

1 hour ago, sne said:

Wonder if Melania will still be allowed to get her divorce if Trump plans to run in 2024? He'll lose a lot of those Christian family values voters if he runs as a newly divorced guy I'd imagine.

Just like most I've been convinced that it say in her contract that she can divorce once he's no longer president and still get the big pay off. But if he's running again he needs a wife so how is that going to work.

 

Surely we stress-tested this idea to destruction four years ago? Voters who voted for him despite boasting about groping women, and despite the near-two-dozen credible sexual assault allegations against him, are not going to be put off by the minor matter of a divorce.

[sne]

Just now, HanoiVillan said:

Surely we stress-tested this idea to destruction four years ago? Voters who voted for him despite boasting about groping women, and despite the near-two-dozen credible sexual assault allegations against him, are not going to be put off by the minor matter of a divorce.

Nah, I think newly divorced is worse for them. 

[HanoiVillan]

7 minutes ago, sne said:

Nah, I think newly divorced is worse for them. 

I really doubt it. In any case, he's been divorced, what, twice before?

Honestly, they love him, they would not give the tiniest of shits.

[villakram]

On 15/11/2020 at 11:10, chrisp65 said:

Detroit, yes.

Plus any number of things that could have been the butterfly that creates the tipping points in turbulent times, The Symbionese Liberation Army, Waco Siege, The Weather Underground, L.A. In ‘92, New York in ‘77. The twin towers could have been reason enough for some to start ethnic cleansing.

The tipping point appears to be far heavier to tip than some might think. Too massive too geographically vast to get the sort of traction that’s needed. I appreciate China and Russia are quite big and it happened there.

I suspect you need to be organised and connected, and dirt poor with literally nothing to lose, in order to risk losing everything.

or PNAC.