Follyfoot Posted February 4 VT Supporter Share Posted February 4 2 minutes ago, MWARLEY2 said: Philogene made a huge brave decision. Leave the Prem and go to a club where he knew he would play . Which is what he needed for him to push on. The kid has a load of character. Then compare that with Morgan Rogers who after 6 months at Boro has come back to the Prem to be what will be a bench option. Not knocking Morgan at all,but when you are 21 you have plenty of time to learn your trade away from the spotlight and still make a splash when you level up. I think Rogers believes he will be a regular starter by the end of the season, and I admire his confidence 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwi1890 Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 16 minutes ago, MWARLEY2 said: Philogene made a huge brave decision. Leave the Prem and go to a club where he knew he would play . Which is what he needed for him to push on. The kid has a load of character. Then compare that with Morgan Rogers who after 6 months at Boro has come back to the Prem to be what will be a bench option. Not knocking Morgan at all,but when you are 21 you have plenty of time to learn your trade away from the spotlight and still make a splash when you level up. It’s also brave to back yourself to succeed at a higher level but I don’t blame JPB for dropping down a level and admire his eagerness to play regularly. I also don’t hold a grudge against Chuckwemeka for moving to Chelsea there was a lot of hype and noise about him add poor advice to the equation and also the fact Steven Gerrard was our manager at the time don’t blame him one bit. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 34 minutes ago, MWARLEY2 said: Philogene made a huge brave decision. Leave the Prem and go to a club where he knew he would play . Which is what he needed for him to push on. The kid has a load of character. Then compare that with Morgan Rogers who after 6 months at Boro has come back to the Prem to be what will be a bench option. Not knocking Morgan at all,but when you are 21 you have plenty of time to learn your trade away from the spotlight and still make a splash when you level up. Philogene makes the same decision Rogers does if it’s the other way round. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 3 hours ago, MWARLEY2 said: Philogene made a huge brave decision. Leave the Prem and go to a club where he knew he would play . Which is what he needed for him to push on. The kid has a load of character. Then compare that with Morgan Rogers who after 6 months at Boro has come back to the Prem to be what will be a bench option. Not knocking Morgan at all,but when you are 21 you have plenty of time to learn your trade away from the spotlight and still make a splash when you level up. Our esteemed CEO at the time had labelled him the best young player in the country. No chance we would have accepted a 7 million pound bid for him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 (edited) Purslow said he was the best sixteen year old in the country, when he was sixteen, by which he meant in the academy system, this was before he had signed a scholarship with us, at the time hardly anyone had heard of him, even most Villa fans. By the time he left it was more than two years later, it didn't matter what Purslow had said, by that time he was widely regarded as the best player in his age group in the country, and had all top teams in Europe wanting to sign him Given his contract situation we probably would have accepted £7m, although that would have been way below what he was actually worth, but Chelsea for some reason, I guess just to stop others getting him, gave us a bigger fee, even though they could have got him on a free transfer if they'd have waited a matter of months. Chukwuemeka's departure situation is different from Philogene's as he was three years younger when he left, so really still an academy player, he was the same age that Kadan Young and Kellyman are now for example, he was probably happy to go to Chelsea get any first team minutes he can, or go out on loan, whereas Philogene, being twenty-one as he was, for him first team football would have been more of a priority, also Chukwuemeka was just more highly rated and sought after when he left, if Philgoene had the same profile, he wouldn't have to gone to Hull Edited February 4 by useless 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 5 hours ago, Follyfoot said: I think Rogers believes he will be a regular starter by the end of the season, and I admire his confidence I think he will be too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstonMartyn88 Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 Feeling ‘trapped’ at Chelsea and apparently AC Milan want him. Poor kid. What a shame. Etc. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_Villain Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 On 07/02/2024 at 16:00, AstonMartyn88 said: Feeling ‘trapped’ at Chelsea and apparently AC Milan want him. Poor kid. What a shame. Etc. Awwwww… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted February 17 VT Supporter Share Posted February 17 On 07/02/2024 at 16:00, AstonMartyn88 said: Feeling ‘trapped’ at Chelsea and apparently AC Milan want him. Poor kid. What a shame. Etc. didums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calcifer Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 On 07/02/2024 at 16:00, AstonMartyn88 said: Feeling ‘trapped’ at Chelsea and apparently AC Milan want him. Poor kid. What a shame. Etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villarule123 Posted February 17 VT Supporter Share Posted February 17 The idiot threw his career away by not signing that contract here. Make a name for yourself then worry about getting a move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 Just now, villarule123 said: The idiot threw his career away by not signing that contract here. Make a name for yourself then worry about getting a move. It's mad how the confidence verges on arrogance when these kids sign for someone like Chelsea and they convince themselves they will break through rather than that confidence ever saying to them stay where you are become a big fish and in 3/4 years time Chelsea will be back and the move will still happen I get taking the opportunity presented but the chances of it working out how they want is so low Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 Said it before I dont blame him for leaving, we were all in on the clown as manager and he had no real interest in playing him or developing him but signing players like Coutinho who was clearly finished. If Unai was manager then would be a different scenario 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 On 07/02/2024 at 16:00, AstonMartyn88 said: Feeling ‘trapped’ at Chelsea and apparently AC Milan want him. Poor kid. What a shame. Etc. He'd do very well in Italy. The slower pace would suit him perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villarule123 Posted February 17 VT Supporter Share Posted February 17 (edited) He would have definitely started a lot of games here if he signed the contract. The club were terrified of him becoming a star and then leaving on a free so limited his game time to prevent this and put pressure on him to sign. He may still make it but he's massively decreased his chances by signing for Chelsea. At least the club can use this as evidence to other kids that might think of doing the same thing in the future. Edited February 17 by villarule123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 2 minutes ago, villarule123 said: He would have definitely started a lot of games here if he signed the contract. The club were terrified of him becoming a star and then leaving on a free so limited his game time to prevent this and put pressure on him to sign. He may still make it but he's massively decreased his chances by signing for Chelsea. At least the club can use this as evidence to other kids that might think of doing the same thing in the future. The club have been selling off our youth players in recent times. We dont have much of a high ground in this moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villarule123 Posted February 17 VT Supporter Share Posted February 17 30 minutes ago, Zatman said: The club have been selling off our youth players in recent times. We dont have much of a high ground in this moment We weren't fighting for CL back then and the players we have sold were nowhere near as highly thought of as Carney was at the time. Also, the players we have sold are glorified loan deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 16 minutes ago, villarule123 said: We weren't fighting for CL back then and the players we have sold were nowhere near as highly thought of as Carney was at the time. Also, the players we have sold are glorified loan deals. Its still not encouraging a player to sign with us if we are going get rid of them instead of developing them here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rds1983 Posted February 17 VT Supporter Share Posted February 17 1 hour ago, Zatman said: Its still not encouraging a player to sign with us if we are going get rid of them instead of developing them here Alternatively, it shows them that one way or another, by signing with us, we will help them find a path into first team football and a career, either here or elsewhere. By having come through our academy they might have access to more offers and chances than if they hadn't. Like going to a top university, rather than a rubbish one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calcifer Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 It was his choice to leave. Grass isn't always greener... No sympathy whatsoever from me. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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